POCI 2009 Dayton Ohio - Canadian Pontiac's

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

POCI 2009 Dayton Ohio - Canadian Pontiac's

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Sounds like a breakthrough.

eeluddy · Uber Guru

It's about a 6 hour drive from Canadian Poncho Headquarters in good old Ingersoll Ontario. It would be nice to see a group on Canuck cars there. Todd your 69 Laurentian should be there carrying the CP banner!

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

I sent my co-vention application today and already booked the hotel, lots of them close to the show are already full. Taking the 66 Canso SD and the "boss". Arriving Tuesday July 7-Sat July 11. About 9 hours from Owen Sound. Anyone else planning on going?

Rolilk · Guru

Humm should I bring the Pathfinder? I will see if I can get the time off. The car is not really ready for show yet but its not bad.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I've attended a number of POCI conventions. There are many "show" cars there but there are many drivers. Very few people their turn up their noses at a driver, although it does happen.

I have never shown a "show" level car their but I have still come home twice with an award. (and an award is the LAST reason I take a car to a car show)

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I'd love to go but at this point am not sure if I'd be able to make it. There's a few things I'd like to get done on the car before I'd take it on such a long trip.

Todd

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Additional class information for Acadians.

Rick Gonser indicates the 1962 - 71 Nova platformed Acadian's would go in class Z. That is normally 1971 - 1981 Compact, Intermediate so sounds like they'd just expand the year range of the class.

Any further comments on the idea of a non-trophy Canadian Pontiac display class?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Does this mean as well as being able to compete in a trophy class?

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

Sounds like the ball is finally rolling for our Canadian cars.
ARCADIAN

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

Also I like the idea of a display class.
ARCADIAN

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

It's way too far for me to drive - probably over 2500 miles. So i won't be able to go.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

As above, for the Dayton show they're thinking of displaying the Canadian Pontiac cars seperately in a non-trophy class. They'd be displayed (or featured) in a very prominent location. If displayed (or featured) in this prominent location, they would not be entered into the regular trophy classes. I'd think this would only apply to "Popular Vote" cars. If one pays the extra to have their car "Points Judged", then it can be judged on that day, and also displayed with the other Canadian Pontiac's on show day.

At this time it's an idea they're kicking around, and he asked me to put a post on here for feedback. From past experience (mainly the 2000 show in Grand Rapids) there is likely only to be about 10 - 12 Canadian Pontiac's present.

I can see both sides of this, they have a feature spot and they're trying to promote something a bit different, but I also like to be entered into a class with similar cars.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Kind of a toss up. The full size cars have a pretty natural home among the US B bodies but the Beaumonts and Acadians stick out like sore thumbs. No, wait, that sounds bad!

The Beaumonts and Acadians stand out head and shoulders above the rest of the crowd of cars there! They really don't have a proper spot at POCI.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Seems to me that promoting the Canadian Pontiac, Acadian, Beaumont would be the main objective for "us". I think the separate display area idea is a good one. In time the cars could be folding into appropriate classes as awareness increases. I don't understand how a Canadian car could be point judged by people who have likey never seen one before, not a slam just an observation.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Good point Ray. They'd have no idea what's correct on these cars. They can be confusing for us!

CDNROUNDPORT · Addicted!

I am going with a couple cars.truck trailer ect.May have a spare hotel room if anyone is interested.

Ian

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

It is interesting that Ian chimed in. Ian has Canadian cars, meaning built or sold in Canada but they would not be that different from the US versions by virtue of their Pontiac powetrains. I think cars like an Oshawa 1970 Judge for example are rare and therefore documented enough so judging a car like that would not pose a problem, full sized B bodies, A's with Chevy power that would.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Beaumonts and Acadians throw the guys for a loop.

I can't tell you how many guys at POCI asked me if the 427 was original in my Acadian.

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

The 427 isn't original? Haha. I think 73SC is right who there would know what is correct or not on Beaumonts and Acadians. We are probably as knowledgeable as anyone when it comes to genuine. I t would be nice to have these cars accepted for what they are. In my case my car looks stock/original but under the skin it is modern, but I still like the idea of display, if it can be judged for some award ok but that is not my reason for attending I just enjoy meeting people and talking about our and their rides, an award would only be "icing on the cake"!
ARCADIAN

67HEAVEN · Poncho Master!

I wonder how the Chevelle guys have handled the Canadian car differences.

For instance, showing up at a US event with a '66 or '67 "Malibu SS" would immediately send Americans into a tail spin.

GM Canada used emblems from earlier years. Down there, they were "Chevelle SS396", like our later '67 here.

Talking to Chevelle guys who enter US events may help with some ideas for recognition.

wink

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Entering a Canadian Pontiac in Points Judged at POCI is always interesting. At Charleston WV in 2002, there was a beautiful 68 SD396 convertible (from New York, but car was originally from Lethbridge, Alberta). I talked to the owner about his judging experience. He said the judges didn't really know what they were looking at, but did question things like the generic Canadian Pontiac wire spoke hubcaps. He had a sales brochure to show them they were correct so all was ok. They also questioned the firewall color, and he was able to show them being body color was correct.

One of our gang had his 67 Parisienne convertible judged at Ontario, CA in 2006. They asked a few questions, mainly about the shock absorber color (they were clearly aftermarket) but other than that the car presented very nicely and he scored well. Keep in mind this isn't NCRS Corvette judging.

I volunteered to be a judge at Spearfish, SD in 2008. Being the new guy on the team (I think there were 5 of us) I got the job of doing undercarraige inspection. We did an Oakland, a 29 Pontiac, a gorgeous 59 Bonneville convertible, and a 58 Parisienne convertible. A couple of other team members helped me with the Oakland and the 29 Pontiac as they had judged them previously, the 59 was about as close to 400 points as you could be, and if anything I provided some some knowledge on the 58 that saved the guy a couple points. He was being docked for non-correct glass, and I knew 57 Canadian Chev's didn't have LOF glass like the US cars, but I would recognize the canadian etching if I saw it. Sure enough it was the Canadian etching (safetyplate or something like that), so we gave the owner the benefit of the doubt. Re the chassis, I did spot a couple things that definately didn't look right so he was docked.

While the judges aren't experts, they try to do their best. They likely have seen enough Chevs (Nova's or Chevelle's for Acadian's and Beaumont's) to know what generally looks right or what definately looks wrong.

67HEAVEN · Poncho Master!

Beaumont4008 wrote:

And, the really disappointing thing is those Malibu SS Canadian cars did NOT get the big block hood, even when ordered with the 396.

His car was "almost" correct. wink

Now, imagine showing up for judging in a '69 Beaumont built in Chile. To satisfy import regulations, their hoods were locally made......out of plastic. No, really!!!

Good luck with judging on that.

Ain't this old car stuff fun? wink

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Beaumonts and Acadians throw the guys for a loop.

I can't tell you how many guys at POCI asked me if the 427 was original in my Acadian.

And I should clarify, I am not mocking them for not knowing. I am lacking in Oldsmobile knowledge for example. I would have to ask questions to know what is right.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

how did a string regarding displaying Canadian Pontiac's in a prominent location at POCI 2009 Dayton end up talking about Malibu SS's?