1969 fullsize Caprice frame for sale (SOLD)

Stephenzone · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

1969 fullsize Caprice frame for sale (SOLD)

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

RE: 1969 fullsize Caprice frame for sale

67Poncho · Uber Guru

Steve, personally, if this frame is that clean and you have that Ontario 2+2, I would slide this frame under it. Depending on the condition of the Rag frame, of course. And yes, as discussed in another thread and from personal experience, that frame will fit the 2dr, 4dr and convertible bodies. I have a '67 Strato 4dr sedan frame under my Rag and a '70 4dr sedan frame, with minor mods to the rear, under my coupe.

rarechev · Guru

hey steve , will it work under a 70 safari? if i can use it , i'll take it.

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:31, 2009-02-26

2drpost · Uber Guru

.....my '69 bel air has a '70 4dr sedan frame under it.....

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

rarechev wrote:

hey steve , will it work under a 70 safari? if i can use it , i'll take it.

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:31, 2009-02-26

I think the station wagon is the one body it will not work on.

rarechev · Guru

whats the differance,can it be modified,i can weld and have a 220 mig.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Are the convertible frames the same?

67Poncho · Uber Guru

69Laurentian wrote:

Are the convertible frames the same?

Todd, as I stated in my previous post.... I have a '67 Strato 4dr sedan frame under my Rag and a '70 4dr sedan frame, with minor mods to the rear, under my coupe. The frame will fit! A buddy of mine with the '67 Bel-Air 2dr post X RCMP car in Labrador, used a wagon frame under one of his non wagon projects with just some mods of the rear part of the frame. I believe the wagon frame was a little too long near the tail end so he shortened and rewelded it.

Rarechev, I am sure you can rework it as the frame is the same throughout with the exception of the tail section............

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 19:04, 2009-02-26

rarechev · Guru

thanks dave, i thought that it would but needed a second opinion!

67Poncho · Uber Guru

rarechev wrote:

thanks dave, i thought that it would but needed a second opinion!

Who, me "Dave"?? If you are talking to me, if so, the name is Vince!!!! smile

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 19:09, 2009-02-26

rarechev · Guru

so sorry vince i scrolled up to see the post and thought it was from 69belair.

2qwik2c · Poncho Master!

67Poncho wrote:

69Laurentian wrote:

Are the convertible frames the same?

Todd, as I stated in my previous post.... I have a '67 Strato 4dr sedan frame under my Rag and a '70 4dr sedan frame, with minor mods to the rear, under my coupe. The frame will fit! A buddy of mine with the '67 Bel-Air 2dr post X RCMP car in Labrador, used a wagon frame under one of his non wagon projects with just some mods of the rear part of the frame. I believe the wagon frame was a little too long near the tail end so he shortened and rewelded it.

Rarechev, I am sure you can rework it as the frame is the same throughout with the exception of the tail section............

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 19:04, 2009-02-26

Convertible frames are different, there much heavier in construction with some additional supports aswell. They are built heavier along the side rails as they needed this to compensate for the lack of a roof structure. 67 poncho did you do any reinforcing to your frame??? I sure hope so.

Stephenzone · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Mark Pm'd me first. so he gets first crack at it.

Do you have a body for it? like a Parisienne? or Caprice? yes and no.

the frame under the 2+2 is almost as good so that wasn't a issue. and i have a mig and i not afraid to use it.

2drpost · Uber Guru

rarechev wrote:

so sorry vince i scrolled up to see the post and thought it was from 69belair.

who me?

68sd · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

steve ,lets save it and go shopping at jacksons?lol
i remember a nice 69 2+2 ragtop?
are ragtop frames not renforced on full size cars?

-- Edited by 68sd at 22:10, 2009-02-26

-- Edited by 68sd at 22:11, 2009-02-26

67Poncho · Uber Guru

2qwik2c wrote:

Convertible frames are different, there much heavier in construction with some additional supports aswell. They are built heavier along the side rails as they needed this to compensate for the lack of a roof structure. 67 poncho did you do any reinforcing to your frame??? I sure hope so.

2qwik2c, I put this frame under my Rag back in '87 and with the two frames side by side, they looked identical with pics to show!! I didn't notice any difference in structure at the time as none really jumped out at me, but all holes were there including the ones over the axle and at the start of the trunk pan going towards the tail lamps as well. That being said, I didn't get into the nitty grittys of it either!!! It has been almost 23 years now and the doors have the same gap now as when I first did it, and they close as good as they did when I first bolted them on!
But, back to the topic of the question being asked, the main thing is that it did fit, as I stated, as I too was told at the time it would not.......It is not a Convert frame, and I know that but that what I used. And is it the giving me grief after a 23 years, not one!! The car has 14,000 miles on since '95 and I am sure with road conditions in Newfoundland and Labrador that I drove the car on plus the drive from Sept-Iles, PQ to the flatter lands of the Prairies as these Western Provinces roads are a treat, she would have crumpled long ago. Maybe I was just lucky.....But it was an absolute rust free frame to begin with and maybe that helps as well!

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 23:15, 2009-02-26

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

It would be nice to have a frame like that kicking around just in case a rough Canadian Pontiac came along!

Stephenzone · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

RE: 1969 fullsize Caprice frame for sale (SOLD)

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

2qwik2c wrote:

Convertible frames are different, there much heavier in construction with some additional supports aswell. They are built heavier along the side rails as they needed this to compensate for the lack of a roof structure. 67 poncho did you do any reinforcing to your frame??? I sure hope so.

I'm glad Andrew mentioned this. I don't have any experience with B body convertibles but A bodies certainly used a different frame. The frame rails are boxed as opposed to being open on one side and are re-inforced at particular points for greater rigidity to prevent twisting and to prevent windsheilds from cracking which the roof structure provided.

I checked my 70 brochures last night and the overall length of wagons is 3 inches longer than the 2 doors and 4 doors, so I guess the extra length is all in the rails behind the axle. To use on a wagon you would have to weld in an extra 3 inches on each side, otherwise the body mount holes wouldn't line up and you wouldn't be able to attach the bumper either. It would be too far "in" under the body.

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

Stephenzone wrote:

guess i'll never get the chance to keep a spare frame around. gotta like it when they show up with a trailer and cash.

Good deal, gotta like it when you can turn excess parts into cash so quickly. smile

Did it go to a member here?

Stephenzone · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

i'm pretty sure its going to help a fellow pontiac get back on the road. yes

2qwik2c · Poncho Master!

67Poncho wrote:

2qwik2c wrote:

Convertible frames are different, there much heavier in construction with some additional supports aswell. They are built heavier along the side rails as they needed this to compensate for the lack of a roof structure. 67 poncho did you do any reinforcing to your frame??? I sure hope so.

2qwik2c, I put this frame under my Rag back in '87 and with the two frames side by side, they looked identical with pics to show!! I didn't notice any difference in structure at the time as none really jumped out at me, but all holes were there including the ones over the axle and at the start of the trunk pan going towards the tail lamps as well. That being said, I didn't get into the nitty grittys of it either!!! It has been almost 23 years now and the doors have the same gap now as when I first did it, and they close as good as they did when I first bolted them on!
But, back to the topic of the question being asked, the main thing is that it did fit, as I stated, as I too was told at the time it would not.......It is not a Convert frame, and I know that but that what I used. And is it the giving me grief after a 23 years, not one!! The car has 14,000 miles on since '95 and I am sure with road conditions in Newfoundland and Labrador that I drove the car on plus the drive from Sept-Iles, PQ to the flatter lands of the Prairies as these Western Provinces roads are a treat, she would have crumpled long ago. Maybe I was just lucky.....But it was an absolute rust free frame to begin with and maybe that helps as well!

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 23:15, 2009-02-26

The convert frames are heavier/ wider at the main rails under the rockers. If you measure the crossmember from a convert it will be 4 to 5 inches shorter than a non convert one. Andrew.

gparis7 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

67Poncho wrote:

69Laurentian wrote:

Are the convertible frames the same?

Todd, as I stated in my previous post.... I have a '67 Strato 4dr sedan frame under my Rag and a '70 4dr sedan frame, with minor mods to the rear, under my coupe. The frame will fit! A buddy of mine with the '67 Bel-Air 2dr post X RCMP car in Labrador, used a wagon frame under one of his non wagon projects with just some mods of the rear part of the frame. I believe the wagon frame was a little too long near the tail end so he shortened and rewelded it.

Rarechev, I am sure you can rework it as the frame is the same throughout with the exception of the tail section............

-- Edited by 67Poncho at 19:04, 2009-02-26

I put a 68 Biscayne wagon frame under a 69 Biscayne 2 dr post. It was a bolt in, no issue with anything. Only difference was the 69 sat high due to the wagon springs, and it had the smaller 68 front hubs.

67Poncho · Uber Guru

2qwik2c wrote:

The convert frames are heavier/ wider at the main rails under the rockers. If you measure the crossmember from a convert it will be 4 to 5 inches shorter than a non convert one. Andrew.

Yes, I believe we all know now that the Convert frames are heavier....and stands to reason. But in a pinch or if you have only a NON Convert frame, it will still bolt in and up to the body if you wish. This was all I was stating in the original topic about the frame. I did not state it was an exact replacement! Jeeze, you guys....