Freedom of speach is alive and well in this country as long as you are part of a visible minority. Just read an article about a 10 year old girl that was married off at 10, raped repeatedly, managed to get a divorce, the religious clerics squashed a calll for the minimum age for marrage to be raised to 17. But Islam is a GOOD thing that we all need to embrace. Sheesh, I gotta win the 50 mil so I can start my own country,Keep traditions and such alive. Ah well at least the a-hole Trudeau that started all this is dead.

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It's really not about the price when looking at gasoline vs. electric. It's about sovereignty, environmental issues and depeleting a resource with a finite supply. It won't happen in our life time but it will happen that one day and it's not that long out there will be no gasoline. If we don't move to another form of power now we will and future generations of Canadians will really be 'screwed' to coin a phrase being used in this thread.

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Horsepower?

 

ours went up 11 cents a litre, the other day thank god I just filled both vehicles the day before as it cost me about 165 to fill both
bill in red deer

I`ll be looking for a used Suburban this summer. It will be a buyers market for them if this gas price keeps going up.

Just filled the Odyssey. $82. Esso regular $1.20.5
It a good bit to be sure. Filling up for $70 or so was only just a little less painfull when gas was $1 or so. $80 is a pricepoint that really sounds high. 

One good thing is I can get some pretty good kilometers on this van if I drive it fairly easy, it has cylinder de-activation, which does help.
Over the last little while though, I've got to thinking...this fill up for Eighty dollars can really allow this van to do quite a bit of work for me and my family. During the summer on Friday afternoon I can pack it with 4 people and a ton of gear (and I mean packed full!), hook up a box trailer full of wood and tools and make a beeline for the Family cottage. A 6 hour drive round trip for the most part. We arrive back home sunday night and I'm pretty much on fumes. But really, the math tells me that it costs each person $20 round trip. To me, that seems pretty reasonable. Isn't it?

As far as I'm concerned, that $1.20 gallon pound for pound cannot be beat for the work it can still do. I work a 40 hour week, and it takes about three hours of work to fill the tank. It'll last me pretty much the week, and the Van never sits still.

Of course, the new reality of an impending $2 litre does frighten me. But my theory of the "work it can do" really does seem to help me through these high prices.

Am I way off base?

Cheers, Mark

At these inflated prices I'm glad my pickup is on propane 59.9 with 3cents back
with the liter log at Fas Gas so 56.9. We do propane conversions where I work
and every time gas prices go over a dollar people start inquiring about conversions.
Too bad it costs so much to convert these days. The other day this guy phones up
about converting a Nissan Extera. Why and where would you put the tank? If it costs
too much to drive an Extera on gas maybe he should ride a bike.
Back to gas prices. I don't what to sound naive but how much of our oil consumption
actually comes from the Middle East?

Question: How much of our oil comes from the Middle East?

Short answer: None

Canada is second only to Saudi Arabia in oil reserves. We are a net oil exporter. That means that we sell more outside Canada (almost all to the USA) than we import. I believe there are still some imports so it is likely some of the gas you burn could have originated in the Middle East.

The huge Canadian reserves are in the tar sands though, and tar sands oil ain't cheap. They also burn about 20 to 25% of the energy sold to produce the oil, so the next time you're filling your vehicle, think about all the negative press about the tar sands and Alberta's carbon footprint. We either produce tar sands or we'll be importing a whole lot more oil.

The decision made by the average North American to drive a 3 tonne vehicle to take one person to work and back each day DOES impact total consumption which does impact the demand and hence the price of oil.

Whenever you point your finger at someone else (like the big bad oil companies or the government), it means there are three fingers pointing back at you.

With 7 billion (and growing exponentially) people out there, demand for resources is going to continue to get worse.

It wasn't a huge problem until China and India had their recent economic revolution. We need to find alternative sources of energy now.

OK if we are shipping "OUR" crude to the "States" how come gas is cheaper across the border??? TAXES????

Some good points here.

Yes, the main difference between Canadian and American gas price (and province to province gas price) is tax.

With U.S. debt and deficit what they are, they're going to have to start raising taxes sooner later too.

I agree we need alternate sources of energy NOW. But I also think we need more efficient basic transportation. Seems ridiculous to me that even the econo-box cars weigh in at over 3000 pounds. Way too much weight to be moving around to haul one person from point A to point B everyday. We should be able to produce a comfortable commuter vehicle that weighs less than about 1200 lbs. 100+ mpg should be easily achievable with that using the amazing engines they're producing today. The Smart cars are a step in the right direction, but me thinks they should be one quarter the price.
We might need to designate different lanes on freeways to minimize little car - semi truck interaction. Just bouncing ideas out...


-- Edited by 66 Beau on Monday 28th of February 2011 09:14:13 AM

 Another interesting tid-bit I got from a chum of mine in the States............


Here's an astonishing read.  Important and verifiable information : 


About 6 months ago, the writer was watching a news program on oil and one of the Forbes Bros. was the guest. The host said to Forbes, "I am going to ask you a direct question and I would like a direct answer;  how much oil does the U.S. have in the ground?"  Forbes did not miss a beat, he said, "more than all the Middle East put together."  Please read below. 




The U. S. Geological Service issued a report in April 2008 that only scientists and oil men knew was coming, but man was it big.  It was a revised report (hadn't been updated since 1995) on how much oil was in this area of the western 2/3 of North Dakota, western South Dakota, and extreme eastern Montana ..... check THIS out: 


The Bakken is the largest domestic oil discovery since Alaska 's Prudhoe Bay , and has the potential to eliminate all American dependence on foreign oil. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) estimates it at 503 billion barrels. Even if just 10% of the oil is recoverable... at $107 a barrel, we're looking at a resource base worth more than $5...3 trillion. 
  


"When I first briefed legislators on this, you could practically see their jaws hit the floor. They had no idea.." says Terry Johnson, the Montana Legislature's financial analyst. 






"This sizable find is now the highest-producing onshore oil field found in the past 56 years," reportsThe PittsburghPost Gazette.  It's a formation known as the Williston Basin , but is more commonly referred to as the 'Bakken.'  It stretches from Northern Montana , through North Dakota and into Canada .  For years, U. S. oil exploration has been considered a dead end.  Even the 'Big Oil' companies gave up searching for major oil wells decades ago. However, a recent technological breakthrough has opened up the Bakken's massive reserves..... and we now have access of up to 500 billion barrels.  And because this is light, sweet oil, those billions of barrels will cost Americans just $16 PER BARREL! 




That's enough crude to fully fuel the American economy for 2041 years straight.  And if THAT didn't throw you on the floor, then this next one should - because it's from 2006! 


U.. S. Oil Discovery- Largest Reserve in the World 


Stansberry Report Online - 4/20/2006 


Hidden 1,000 feet beneath the surface of the Rocky Mountains lies the largest untapped oil reserve in the world. It is more than 2 TRILLION barrels.  On August 8, 2005 President Bush mandated its extraction. In three and a half years of high oil prices none has been extracted. With this motherload of oil why are we still fighting over off-shore drilling? 


They reported this stunning news:  We have more oil inside our borders, than all the other proven reserves on earth.. Here are the official estimates: 
    
- 8-times as much oil as Saudi Arabia 


- 18-times as much oil as Iraq 
 - 21-times as much oil as Kuwait 


 - 22-times as much oil as Iran 


- 500-times as much oil as Yemen 


- and it's all right here in the Western United States . 


HOW can this BE? HOW can we NOT BE extracting this? Because the environmentalists and others have blocked all efforts to help America become independent of foreign oil! Again, we are letting a small group of people dictate our lives and our economy.....WHY? 
  
James Bartis, lead researcher with the study says we've got more oil in this very compact area than the entire Middle East -more than 2 TRILLION barrels untapped.  That's more than all the proven oil reserves of crude oil in the world today, reports The Denver Post. 
Don't think 'OPEC' will drop its price - even with this find?  Think again!  It's all about the competitive marketplace, - it has to. Think OPEC just might be funding the environmentalists?