On the Gp, with light pedal application at low speeds, the brake pedal would drop to the floor, a quick pump and it would be back. Even with the drop, I'd still have some braking power. The brakes overall work excellent, no pulling, no leaks and I'm actually very impressed with them. Makes me wonder why the obsession with discs on a cruiser.
Removing the master cap, there's a quick pop or hiss, and a good bit of fluid runs out of the front system resevoir. The rear resevoir is really low.
I expected to see it low, but why was the front system overfull?
Is the master bypassing? Can the fluid leave one resevoir and carry over to the other?
I'm just about to take it out, I'll see what happens with the fluid at the correct level.
Mark.
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
Ditto to all the above. Don't even spend time looking elsewhere. You should be under 50 bucks and it's an easy fix. Makes sense on a car that has been parked. You may find wheel cylinder troubles too.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Thanks guys, I thought so. I'd done many masters way back, but I've been out of the "replacing the master" loop for about 20 years or so. Lots of theory and new stuff on the project car, but no actual driving anything 40 years old.
The master looks non original, and the lines down to the dist block look like they have been replaced at one time. The rust on the master looks recent, and the lines look like they were made up in the dark!
Any hints on where to buy, or does it not matter much anymore?
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
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Not sure about there but you don't usually have to pay list at NAPA here in Manitoba I don't think.
I don't pay list either as I am a jobber and I get trade.... But that is "suggested" list!! You just lean on those parts guys to sharpen their pencils!!!! (lol)
Thanks Vince, Carl. Big price diff between the reman and new... But I'm old school and am of the belief that you actually get what you pay for. Will it actually matter with a master?
I have a good Carquest pretty much next door to me, and I never pay list.
Do these lines from the master look original? They look like crap, but then again I've seen some strange looking lines from the factory. I think I might make up a new pair with some nice neat loops...I can't help it!
-- Edited by cdnpont on Tuesday 27th of October 2009 12:23:05 AM
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
List price is almost a game for most of the suppliers. I bought a new one, not remanned, from a supplier here for $76 last week for my son's truck and they give me a decent discount but nothing like the shops get. Remanned was $20 less, my guy told me I was crazy to even consider it. When I heard the price I didn't consider it at all. That stuff is cheaper than it ever was.
Yes, our sales of wheel cylinder cups is now nil. We have about 10 of each size in our assortment and I never sell them. Full bore, max, list price for a rear cylinder for our Roadmaster sedan is about 17 bucks I think!
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Do these lines from the master look original? They look like crap, but then again I've seen some strange looking lines from the factory. I think I might make up a new pair with some nice neat loops...I can't help it!
-- Edited by cdnpont on Tuesday 27th of October 2009 12:23:05 AM
They look original to me.... But I will have to take a look at mine again though!!!
Both have some slight kinks in them. On that subject, can the old line fittings, if in good shape, be re-used on newly flared lines? Maybe it's not worth the trouble to bother trying?
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
I am sure those lines would be original.... With this low mile car being kept in a time capsule, why would they have changed them??? These rarely go and I am sure the undercarriage ones would need changing long before these ones would.
I will get pics of mine to compare. I would reuse the old fittings as some of then are of a 1/4 or 3/16 inner diameter but the outer will be a larger diameter versus what normally comes on those lines.
When I put a dual master cyl on my '66 Chief, I had to use the rear fitting nut off the '69 I harvested it from, cut the rear line on the '66 and replace the nut then reflare. Same inner diameter, but different outer!
