suggestions on my next step

50torpedo · Guru

suggestions on my next step

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Call a mechanic

-- Edited by 427carl on Monday 26th of October 2009 07:53:13 PM

50torpedo · Guru

Dont know if I want to do that, the fuel guage in the tank is really sensitive to burnout at 12 volts

it turns over even had the starter spin out a few times , I think the old 6 volt systems were not speed demons on speed

bill in red deer

Rolilk · Guru

Pull one of the plugs to confirm you have fuel. Or even try to flood the car to be sure fuel is in the engine. If you can't flood the engine your still not getting fuel for sure. Some times I've tried pouring some fuel down the carb to see if it will fire. If it does then stalls after a bit, your still not getting gas to the cylinders. There is a small pump in the Carter WCD carb, and it might not be working.

-- Edited by Rolilk on Monday 26th of October 2009 08:55:58 PM

Rolilk · Guru

you can check here on the WCD Carter carb.

http://oldcarmanualproject.com/manuals/Carbs/Carter/WGD/index.htm

-- Edited by Rolilk on Monday 26th of October 2009 08:59:59 PM

Rolilk · Guru

Now that I look at my Manual, I'm not sure if you have a WCD, or WGD carb. you will know by the vin tag screwed to the back edge of the carb. But both I belive have a pump for starting the car.

-- Edited by Rolilk on Monday 26th of October 2009 09:03:26 PM

50torpedo · Guru

Rolilk..the carb specified fot the engine is a Carter WA-1 717S, I will keep trying to get it started tomorrow if it dont snow tonight, yes the S word is a possibility for us here in red deer will do more to check for gas in the engine , will keep you updated

bill in red deer

Rolilk · Guru

Sorry on the model of carb..My mistake Looked again and saw this to be true. Hope it goes well for you this weekend. Snow oh well we all know this is comming.
here is the link to the WA-1 carb
http://www.carburetor.ca/carbs/kits/CK439.htm

-- Edited by Rolilk on Tuesday 27th of October 2009 05:34:30 PM

Rolilk · Guru

if your scared on jumping it with a 12v boost why don't you try with another 6 volt to help give you alittle more juice. It works for me. I now keep an extra 6 in the garage for those times when she's a bit stubborn to start.

sixtywagon · Uber Guru

I used to jump my old 51 Chev with a 12volt battery, never had any problems

50torpedo · Guru

Well we did not get the snow but she was miserable out today, temp said we made it into the low didgits but with the wind a sprinkling rain it felt way colder,maybe tomorrow

bill in red deer

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Bill, try cranking it over with the s/plugs out, if it spins over OK, check your timming, you may have too much advance in it!!! Is it a "new " rebulid" might be a little tight??? Pete

50torpedo · Guru

pete, no its the orig engine, it turns over but fairly slow, this is probably the first time in 20+ years its been started. like I say I flushed the gas tank and lines to the carb, new carb on it, and all the other stuff as lasted avove I guess I will have to see if I can find a timing light, , I did not disturb the distibuter in any way uther rthan to check if the points were opening and closing , I basically only need it to drive off the trailer back into the garage she's heavy old car and its a fair slope int the garage so its a lot of hand winching

bill in red deer

59poncho · Poncho Master!

i know with my carb the float was not adjusted right (off by a fraction) and it was hard to start. I also had to fool around with the dist. to try and get it started when i first got it so if you have one of those ignition buttons that way you can try and start it and be looking at the engine at the same time and adjust whatever needs adjusting.

Fitz · Guru

Can you post a video to show your slow cranking?

Also, the battery cable are very important (caliber). If you have old small 12volts cable style, with a weak starter, it will not spin very fast.

I use to have 6 volts, and I know it is not very fast on starter, but you will not spin enough with all above.

If you have correct cable, battery and starter, you may be have to look at voltage leak into the starter system, and after if OK, look for the starter itself.

Fitz.

eeluddy · Uber Guru

Do you have spark to the plugs? Clean the points with a fine sandpaper and reset them to make sure you are getting max spark. If the starter is dragging from sitting around you may want to take it apart and clean it up & maybe put in new brushes?

87 player bird · Poncho Master!

Starter.

50torpedo · Guru

great idea guy's, once I get it into the garage I will pull the starter and have it checked , might even have a spare that came with the other motor and see how that one is

Rolilk · Guru

dualquadpete wrote:

Bill, try cranking it over with the s/plugs out, if it spins over OK, check your timming, you may have too much advance in it!!! Is it a "new " rebulid" might be a little tight??? Pete

Yup Timming might be a problem too? Was thinking of that. confuse

50torpedo · Guru

I am wondering about the timing , assuming it run 20 years ago, I have not disturbed the distributer in any way, should it not still be close what would have changed

bill in red deer

Rolilk · Guru

Might , but might not be. Its kinda hard to find out when its not running. You can check and see if your gaselector is set to "0" position, and try that.

davelacourse · Poncho Master!

87 player bird wrote:

Starter.

Agreed that is most likely the cause of slow spinning. Old starter, little corrosion or wear inside, brushes, armature, contacts ...

Also check cables, it is easy for corrosion to have gotten in there, not easy to see when all is hooked up, take them off, inspect the ends, clean the terminals with wire brush. Be sure to check the ground cables too (not sure on early cars but most years had something to go from negative battery terminal to engine block to frame and etcetera, all must be good).

Dave