It'll be interesting to see what comes out of Copenhagen? We're under a microscope with the rest of the world looking. I think we promised a unacheivable 20% of 1990 C02 levels by 2012 at Kyoto, and it actually has gone up the same amount as of today.
I fear our old cars might be regarded as a easy target by the politicos.
What do you think? Are we safe?
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I hope not. I truly believe that the combined kilometres driven of all old cars (especially hobby cars) is so small compared to late-model cars that banning us wouldn't make a hill 'o beans difference anyway.
I hope not. I truly believe that the combined kilometres driven of all old cars (especially hobby cars) is so small compared to late-model cars that banning us wouldn't make a hill 'o beans difference anyway.
Agreed, and eventually when they do come out with a bolt in, small block replacement, electric motor that produces the equivalent of 400 HP (thus reinvigorating the resto-rod market), I will gladly consider it!
-- Edited by 03cts sport on Monday 7th of December 2009 06:22:40 PM
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"So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think... The good outnumber you, and we always will." Patton Oswalt
I hope not. I truly believe that the combined kilometres driven of all old cars (especially hobby cars) is so small compared to late-model cars that banning us wouldn't make a hill 'o beans difference anyway.
We might not put out that much "carbon" but we sure are "AN EASY TARGET" for the polititions, they go after the easy ones that don't make a big difference,but make themselves "look" like they did "something" & most people buy their B/S & vote the BAS$%^DS back in!!!! Pete
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
THE POLITICIANS WOULD BE CRAZY TO TARGET THE OLD CAR HOBBY. THINK OF THE JOB LOSSES FROM THE AFTERMARKET SELLERS AND MANUFACTURES. THOSE WOULD ALL BE LOST VOTES. THE TURN OUT AT SOME OF THE BIGGER CAR EVENTS SHOULD GIVE THEM AN INDICATION OF THIS. THERE ARE WHOLE TOWNS AND CITIES THAT CATER TO THE OLD CAR HOBBY THROUGH SPONSORSHIP OF HUGH YEARLY CAR EVENTS.
THE POLITICIANS WOULD BE CRAZY TO TARGET THE OLD CAR HOBBY. THINK OF THE JOB LOSSES FROM THE AFTERMARKET SELLERS AND MANUFACTURES. THOSE WOULD ALL BE LOST VOTES. THE TURN OUT AT SOME OF THE BIGGER CAR EVENTS SHOULD GIVE THEM AN INDICATION OF THIS. THERE ARE WHOLE TOWNS AND CITIES THAT CATER TO THE OLD CAR HOBBY THROUGH SPONSORSHIP OF HUGH YEARLY CAR EVENTS.
Reality check, they could not possibly care less about the old car hobby, that's why we are already screwed with licencing restrictions, emission testing in BC, etc. We ARE an easy target. It will give the "appearance" of "doing something" when in reality the politicians don't have enough guts to go after the real causes of the problem.
It's the same with the gun registry, go after law abiding middle aged males whose crime rate is virtually zero. Are their guns the cause of all the shootings? Of course not. Everyone knows it illegally smuggled in guns by criminals of all stripes, BUT, they may happen to be members of a VISIBLE MINORITY or NATIVE or some other easily identifiable group, but the politicians won't go after them because that would be politically incorrect and could cause them to lose votes.
Every day I think this country is going more and more down the drain...
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1970 LS4 (eventually an LS5) Laurentian 2dr hdtp -and a bunch of other muscle cars...
As we now know (and by "we" I mean "everyone with access to the Internet"), the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) has just been caught ferociously manipulating the data about the Earth's temperature.
Recently leaked e-mails from the "scientists" at CRU show that, when talking among themselves, they forthrightly admit to using a "trick" to "hide the decline" in the Earth's temperature since 1960 -- as one e-mail says. Still another describes their manipulation of the data thus: "[W]e can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!"
Am I just crazy from the heat or were they trying to deceive us?
Global warming cheerleaders in the media were quick to defend the scandalous e-mails, explaining that, among scientists, the words "trick," "hide the decline" and "garbage" do not mean "trick," "hide the decline" and "garbage." These words actually mean "onion soup," "sexual submissive" and "Gary, Ind."
(Boy, it must be great to be able to redefine words right in the middle of a debate.)
Also, of course, the defenders said that the words needed to be placed "in context" -- the words' check was in the mail, and they'd like to spend more time with their families.
I have placed the words in context and it turns out what they mean is: gigantic academic fraud.
The leaked e-mail exchanges also show the vaunted "scientists" engaging in a possibly criminal effort to delete their own smoking-gun e-mails in response to a Freedom of Information request. Next, the fanatics will be telling us that "among scientists," this behavior does not indicate knowledge of guilt.
If I recall correctly, their next move should be to fire the special prosecutor late Saturday night.
These e-mails aren't a tempest in a teapot. They are evidence of pervasive fraud by a massively influential institution that has dominated news coverage of global warming.
CRU was regularly cited as the leading authority on "global climate analysis" -- including by the very news outlets that are burying the current scandal, such as The New York Times and The Washington Post. The CRU alone received more than $23 million in taxpayer funds for its work on global warming.
Having claimed to have collected the most complete data on the Earth's temperature for the last half century, the CRU's summary of that data was used by the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for its 2007 report demanding that we adopt a few modest lifestyle changes, such as abolishing modern technology, reverting to hunter/gatherer status and taxing ourselves into servitude.
But then last weekend -- in the middle of the "Let's Cook the Books!" e-mail scandal -- the CRU said that all its data on the Earth's temperature since 1960 had been irretrievably "lost." (Although I suspect "overcooked" might be a more apt term.)
The way this episode is unfolding, the environmentalists may be forced to drop their phantom threat of global warming and go back to the phantom threat of global cooling.
Most disturbingly, the CRU-affiliated "scientists" were caught red-handed conspiring to kill the careers and reputations of scientists who dissented from the religion of global warming. Indignant that scientific journals were publishing papers skeptical of global warming, the cult members plotted to get editors ousted and the publications discredited.
This sabotage of global warming dissenters may be more galling than their manipulation of the data. Until now, the global warming cult's sole argument has been to demand that everyone shut up in response to the "scientific consensus" that human activity was causing global warming.
That's their idea of a free and open debate.
It's always the same thing with primitive people -- voodoo practitioners, rain dancers and liberals. In lieu of facts, debate and a weighing of the evidence, religious fanatics respond to all counterarguments by invoking a higher authority: the witch doctor, a "scientific consensus," "the Constitution" or "historians are agreed."
Liberals won't tell us why Congress passed a law outlawing incandescent lightbulbs by 2014 -- a bill solemnly delivered to the president in a Prius hybrid (making it the slowest-moving bill in U.S. history). Instead, they tell us there's a "scientific consensus" that we have to use fluorescent lightbulbs or we'll all die.
They won't tell us why Ten Commandments monuments must be stripped from every public space in America. Instead, they tell us "the Constitution" says so (according to the high priests who interpret it to mean things the document doesn't remotely say).
They won't tell us what Sen. Joe McCarthy lied about. They say: Historians are agreed that McCarthy was a liar. (These are the same historians who also stated as fact that "few American Communists were spies" -- until decrypted Soviet cables proved that the Communist Party was awash with Soviet spies.)
This is precisely what liberals accuse Christians of doing, but which Christians never do. We don't cite the Bible as authority -- and then refuse to let anyone read it. We certainly don't claim to have "lost" it, so you can't check for yourself. But that's exactly what the CRU has done with its secret data allegedly showing a warming Earth.
Also, biblical data on the great flood and Noah's ark have held up remarkably well.
Even if the Earth were warming -- which apparently it is not -- the idea that humans using energy-efficient lightbulbs would alter the temperature of the globe is approximately as plausible as the Aztecs' belief that they were required to wrench the beating heart out of living, breathing humans in order to keep the sun on its path.
Sadly, the "human sacrifice deniers" lost the argument to Aztec CRU scientists, who explained that there was a "scientific consensus" on the benefits of ritual murder.
But at least the Aztecs only slaughtered tens of thousands of humans in the name of "climate change." The global warming cultists want us all dead.
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE OLD CAR HOBBY. THEY DO HOWEVER CARE ABOUT VOTES. WHY DO YOU THINK WE (CANADIANS) ARE BECOMING A MINORITY IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. THEY LET PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY TO SECURE MORE VOTES FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE PEOPLE ALREADY HERE ARE GROWING TIRED OF THEIR POLITICAL B.S..
I hope not. I truly believe that the combined kilometres driven of all old cars (especially hobby cars) is so small compared to late-model cars that banning us wouldn't make a hill 'o beans difference anyway.
