Let me preface this topic with the fact that this will probably never happen, due to the expense involved.
For much of my adult life I hung around with a good friend that lived and breathed Pontiac's. He had grown up a decade prior to me in the 50's and as a kid of the streets, he spent much of his time hanging out at the local gas station. He progressed from washing cars to pumping gas and soon found he had a knack for working on cars primatily tuning motors. In 1958 a customer bought a 58 Pontiac, I think this was a stripped down 2 door sedan and all I know about the motor is that it had a tri-power carb set-up in a quest to be king of the stop lights. The owner soon became close friends with my buddy due to his ability to get the max performance out of that Pontiac. This friend of mine went on to work the counter of a local speed shop and soon found he was not destined to work for others. He was rather out spoken and quick tempered. I have heard of the term "short syndrone" and I think this fit my friend. He was quick to fly into someone with fists flying in order to prove he was bigger and badder than his short & lightweight body appeared. Eventually he owned and operated a combo repair and body shop in a building behind a motel that he bought as a means to keep his wife busy and out of his shop. His 4 kids grew up detailing cars and the boys became excellent mechanics and bodymen. We became friends in the 70's when most guys could not get along with him and he needed a companion to accompany him to the drag strip on weekends. I was desperate to learn more about the cars I owned and the in's and out's of drag racing. So even though I worked for Chevrolet all of my life and he was racing Pontiac's we formed a racing team and hit the road every weekend of the racing season. This guy taught me everything about racing, drinking and how to sucessfully start a bar fight and then escape before the police came. My friend passed away several years ago at the age of 65 but he really was gone prior to that. All the years of drinking and smoking and doing pretty much everything to excess ruined his health from age 55 to his death. His last full time race car is still owned by his sons, a 65 Gto coupe with his signature 400 ci motor and a variety of mismatched parts and suspension componets he had engineered and perfected. He was not big on ordering a bunch of aftermarket parts from a catalog. His 65 with the 400 motor, 400 turbo and a ten bolt rearend was capable of 9.60's on a good air day.
So now for the question. In all of the time I spent with my friend, my 63 Acadian is now the first Pontiac I have owned in my 63 years. The one thing that my friend was very out spoken about was what he fondly referred to as the "Bastard" Pontiac's at the track with Chevy engines. I love my Acadian but I do somewhat feel I have disappointed my long time friend with my Pontiac/Chevy combo. So somewhere in the back of my mind, there is a little voice that tells me, in tribute to my friend, I should right this wrong and build a 400 pontiac motor for my Acadian. Now understand, this is not just a tribute but I really enjoy owning uniquely different cars. I'm not sure how I would explain this because anyone with knowledge of the Acadian would expect to see a Chevy engine. On the other hand some people would think it was original or at least a natural for the Candian Pontiac. Question is, what do you guys think of the idea?? Is it sacreligious, just plain wrong or in some way is it the right thing to do?? Understand, my car is a long way from an original Acadian. Lots and lots of modifications and pretty much a pro-touring car currently.
-- Edited by forespeed on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 01:07:02 PM
-- Edited by forespeed on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 01:10:57 PM
I have been a die hard Pontiac'er since I was in my teens (2 now) but to me an Acadian would seem wrong with anything but a Chevy engine in it.
Not that I would scorn anyone who did it. Any engine in any body is true hot rodding, but I would most likely spend more time scoping out an Acadian at a show if it was big or small block powered than if it was Pontiac powered.
Bottom line is, it's your car. You have to be happy with what you build.
I ran a 427 in my Acadian for nearly 20 years. Now I wasn't happy with it and it's getting a 327 four speed because that makes ME happy.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
My 2nd choice is a period correct motor, such as an L-79 clone or at least a 300 hp 327. But that is not part of the poll just something I would probably do if I replace the 350 but stay with a Chevy. There is just something about the 350, which is much more common in the 3rd gen Nova/Acadian cars. My preference would be to switch to the more common 1st gen. sbc, 327ci.
-- Edited by forespeed on Wednesday 23rd of December 2009 01:26:09 PM
We are seeing a time, where our American friends "might" start to see, the Canadian Chevy powered Pontiacs as Historically correct! Witness the invitation to be a POCI chapter! We all seem to bad mouth things, we don't know as truths... Its a complicated question... We, as Canadians (conservative-laid back) would never call a Acadian with a American Pontiac motor in it a Bastard (to your face) These days, its seems to be a rather accepted thing, to do what each owners want! lol (maybe its our age) ... With your contacts, I would rather see you do up a little Tempest or Lemans with the 400! My news friends, here seem to accept the wierd ideas I have Carl
Norm, as was said it's your car, do what YOU want, you can always save the parts & put it back to Chevy later on??? I don't see anything wrong with putting a big block Pontiac in it, after all it's is a PONTIAC I'm still "toying" with the idea of doing the same with my 52 Canadian Torpedo back, making it all Pontiac even though it should be "Chebby" powered
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just look at the guy who has the buick 455 in his tubbed out 66 beaumont.Thats what hot rodding is all about build what you want,or what you got!My first vehicle was a 68 datsun p\u with a toyota moter in it what a piece of sh#t!
1. Keep the SBC in the Acadain - it is part of what makes your Canadian Poncho unique, and since your car is a cruiser, you can get plenty of performance for modest sums of money and even get pretty good gas mileage, compard to any big block (lke a 400 Pontiac)
2. Buy an old poncho, maybe a 66 Tempest, that has a bad drive train, trashed interior, and needs full rebuild on suspension and brakes. Just a cheap, wornout, 2-door sedan. Build yourself a race car, stuffed with a 400 or a 455 or even bigger (hoiw about a 495? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/PONTIAC-488-490-495-FORGED-STROKER-SHORT-BLOCK_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3350277153QQitemZ220388094291QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) Pontiac motor. Disc brake kit, new suspension bushings etc., find a 12-bolt rear end or even stick in a 9" Ford, gut the interior, a nice racing seat and full harness, roll cage, gut the dash and install your favorite brand of gauges in a sheet metal panel, body work as you see fit, and go see if you can come close to his 9 second runs.
Dave
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1956 Pontiac Pathfinder 2dr sedan, 496 - dyno'd 545 hp, stick shift, 4.11 posi - Hot Rod
sd 455? It's going to be a race car pretty much, so go with your heart. If it's a tribute to your fallen friend, then do it and don't listen to what any one of us says.
I was going to do the same thing with my 69 Beaumont thats why my handle is Beaumont400 8. I had it mounted in the frame with little problems , A body headers fit. Then I found this site and my Canadian pride kicked in and decided to go small block 350 maybe stroked to 383. I still think it would be neat though. They make some great performance parts now for the pontiac engine.
I agree, real Canadianponcho cars like Acadian-Beaumont-Parisienne ... came with the Canadian Pontiac engines such as 283-327-350-427-454... and should house one of these motors. Some others like mine, built in Oshawa Ontario Canada or Ste-Therese Quebec Canada years 1971-79 came with the American Pontiac 350-400-455 and also the Canadian Pontiac engines, IMO what ever your car came with should go back in your engine bay.
I like thing the way they come from the factory but with that said I voted you change it out. If you want to do it as a tribute to a old friend who has past on go for it after all its you car do what makes you happy. You can always put the old drive train back if you so desire
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1957 Pathfinder deluxe 4 door wagon 1961 Pontiac Parisienne bubble top Traded for a Harley sorry guys.
If your car is currently a pro touring car then you are free to do as YOU wish... Nobody looks for factory equipment in a pro touring car, besides the engine bay would look pretty full with that big old blue Pontiac in it. If you do it, then don't like it, you have everything there to put it back the way it was......my 2 cents
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1972 Pontiac Lemans (daughter's car) 2005 Pontiac Grand Am 2004 Ford Explorer Sport Trac
This is a interesting topic and hard choice. We as car lovers have likes and dis-likes but we are all gear heads . I love pontiac motors and am building one now but you have the car and do what you think would make you smile. If that smile comes from a high winding small block then cool. If the poncho motor gives you a good memory from a time past then thats maybe a direction to go. The bottom line is ,its a car, nuts and bolts and a driveline can be swapped out for a different day . Good luck
my knee jerk reactions was "are you nuts".because of the issue of being so misunderstood as an acadian. but what ever floats your boat. its your car, pay the tribute. i'm sure he will be looking down and smiling.
You should do what you want with it; one suggestion: don't change it so much that it can't be put back to original, and keep whatever original parts you have.
I think you should do what you think would be a fun project and you'd enjoy...for whatever your reasons... i do think that an sbc is the best motor for your car though, even lightened up a bit with some alum. heads... get a nice power to weight ratio working in your favour!
i'd like to see you take another acadian body like yours, put a straight axle in it, a 421 tri-power, 4 speed... three tall velocity stacks off the carbs out of the hood! even radius the wheel wells, some halibrand mag multi-spokes up front, chrome reverse and vintage slicks in the back... paint it your friends favourite colour, or multi colour, lacework etc.etc. and get a good artist with a brush to hand letter it as a tribute....ooooh, that sounds like a fun project!
I think you should do what you think would be a fun project and you'd enjoy...for whatever your reasons... i do think that an sbc is the best motor for your car though, even lightened up a bit with some alum. heads... get a nice power to weight ratio working in your favour!
i'd like to see you take another acadian body like yours, put a straight axle in it, a 421 tri-power, 4 speed... three tall velocity stacks off the carbs out of the hood! even radius the wheel wells, some halibrand mag multi-spokes up front, chrome reverse and vintage slicks in the back... paint it your friends favourite colour, or multi colour, lacework etc.etc. and get a good artist with a brush to hand letter it as a tribute....ooooh, that sounds like a fun project!
ak
Uh, Andrew-sounds like you have some serious taste ! never heard this side yet
stick with the sbc make it run in the 9s , keep it a canadian poncho, get a new car with a pontiac mill, way cooler, my buddy has a 540 bbc in a ford it flys but its still a turd, my 2 cents.