Emission spot checks this summer?

unclebernie · Guru

RE: Emission spot checks this summer?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I didn't mean the author was B.Sing, I meant the fact the govt is doing this is BS.

dualquadpete wrote:

69Laurentian wrote:

There was a write up in the latest Smoke Signals called "Emissions Testing- The Canadian Version". The author basically describes what I mentioned above and warns that if they aren't diligent in the U.S the same thing could happen there. What bothers me is his comments that say for example if I put a 1984 454 in my 69 Pontiac, they look at the ENGINE and not the year of the car and therefore that engine has to have all the emission controls that it had in the vehicle it came in- Smog Pump (or EGR), Cats etc. The article said you'd have to prove the year of the engine.
Crazy B-S!

Todd. it's not B/S. a friend of mine in Port Perry got wind of this last summer, when they started the spot checks. He had the MOT come out to his place & look at the cars he's doing up. One is a 29 model A delivery, & he was going to put a 87 Vette d/line in it. They told him in no uncertain terms, the emm. have to match the yr. of the engine!!! They also looked at his 86 Chevy 1/2 ton Indy Pace truck, said he did a wonderfull job on it, BUT, we catch you on the road with the headers,not plumbed into the "missing" AIR pump, the aluminum intake with no EGR & your "BUSTED" & yes they have all the #'s of engines in the computor for roadside inspections & any doubt, YOU PROVE the year in court!!!

unburt · Guru

Hey Pete maybe you can come up with some fake GM literature that shows your car came with dual quads as an option .I think that this could be done to throw the emmisions police off your tail. The pics of your motor almost has the stock look to it ( love it by the way).

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

You'd think even an LS motor without cats would burn cleaner than the original motors in old cars. Would they rather a Hot Rod guy run a flathead that burnt a bit of oil even when new and had inefficient points ignition?

unclebernie · Guru

I wonder how sticky these guys are going to be...I mean my car was born with a 350 and a 2 bbl carb. The one I have now has a quad on it. Will they be picky on that, or just emission stuff??????????

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I assume just the emission stuff.

unclebernie · Guru

Time to look through the manual and see what needs copied or "modified".....also wonder about having headers instead of manifolds. Still does the job, but more efficiently than manifolds????? This could go on forever.......

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

unburt wrote:

Hey Pete maybe you can come up with some fake GM literature that shows your car came with dual quads as an option .I think that this could be done to throw the emmisions police off your tail. The pics of your motor almost has the stock look to it ( love it by the way).

Andy, funny you should say that, I have a article & pictures of a 63 Super Duty 421 dual quad engine package, in the car at all times!! It doesn't say 63 anywhere on it & the picture of 63 looks similar to 64 so I'm hoping [if I do get pulled over] to say "look it was an option" Last time we got pulled over it was for a safety check, nearly got dinged for seat belts [lack of] cop had to call supervisor & was told about older cars not having belts, think it ruined his day, as no ticket issued!!!

455gto · Poncho Master!

427carl wrote:

I could see them going that route, with the guys using the LS series engines,
but if a engine is done up orignal colors trim etc,
most of the inspectiors would not know the difference...

If you start with an old block and put new heads, intake, fuel injection etc ...will they need emissions

So if they go by engine. Say you have a 64 block in your 72 and up T/A

And if those inspectors are smart enough on engine codes I can see alot of grinding and restamps in Ont.

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

455gto wrote:

427carl wrote:

I could see them going that route, with the guys using the LS series engines,
but if a engine is done up orignal colors trim etc,
most of the inspectiors would not know the difference...

If you start with an old block and put new heads, intake, fuel injection etc ...will they need emissions

So if they go by engine. Say you have a 64 block in your 72 and up T/A

And if those inspectors are smart enough on engine codes I can see alot of grinding and restamps in Ont.

Good point, they seemed to be concerned with retro fitting a "newer engine into a older car & having all the emm. 'crap" on it, I'll bet they would "revert" back to the original specs. of yr. of car on that set up!! Anyway you look at it " It's a TAX GRAB"& the "greenies" will clap & say another old car off the road!!!!

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

We should remember, to remind our MPP'S and the MP's, that the old car hobby is a multi Billion dollar per year industry?

RDubya · Poncho Master!

Good thing i had that cat. converter replaced just after i bought the bird. I had some people telling me not to worry about it, but the garage said if it came with it you need it on there, so i went the safe route.

59poncho · Poncho Master!

you should have done what i did on my 79 T/A Randy, just take the cat off, put in a straight pipe. then take the guts out of the cat so its just the shell, and then weld it back on!! LOL

RDubya · Poncho Master!

My luck they'd find out.
Besides i've never done any welding, which i wish i did know because i'd like to put a patch in my floor evileye

unclebernie · Guru

blacktransam wrote:

Besides i've never done any welding, which i wish i did know because i'd like to put a patch in my floor

I didn't either before I started on my Lemans....now I have put full floors, trunk pans, fill holes...etc, etc...... don't be afraid to try....I can't believe how much you can do with a little patience and a MIG

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

You can pop over some day this summer Randy and we'll put a patch in.

MorePower · Poncho Master!

2 of my customers this week alone told me of being pulled over, one fellow had an 84 Chev 1/2 ton 4x4....was nailed for NO egr and no charcol cannister. He said the inspector was being nice by not pulling his plates on the spot. was $700 in fines. Another customer(dont remember make) was nailed as well. A couple summers ago a friend of mine has a 4 dr 80 Malibu done. Was nailed for $1500 in fines and fought it in court. Judge told him they should be doubled because he is a licensed tech and knows better. It cost him $3000 by the time he changed his cam, intake high flow cats etc...they are out there and yes they will ticket you and possibly yank your plates!

MorePower · Poncho Master!

oh forgot to add. a friend of mine races at the track weekly...the MTO was waiting out side the track and inspecting cars on trailers...if they had plates. And fining them aswell. UNBELEIVABLE

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

It's going to start being like this commercial!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVhT7P0lDfI

ga · Addicted!

I have worked several spot checks and they are not looking that hard, some
things are more obvious, a 1929 anything usually has a a newer motor in it, so not to hard to spot, they arnt into checking numbers so what YOU tell them goes along way. ie if your updated motor in your 1929 is out of a "1960" car then your still fine. They spend most of their time on things like missing cats and the like, easy to check if your car is supposed to have them and and easy to see if they are missing. the most popular cars for this stuff is the 75 - 85 range because they have
the most smog stuff that is almost always removed. alot of the newer stuff often has computer mods and cat back sytems to gain performance instead of removing parts. The older 50/60s stuff is such a mixed bag of emission and non emmison stuff (trevor's 283 with the stink tube) that its usually avoided because theres no
requirement to change it and old 13 didgit and shorter vin numbers dont provide
enough option information to be useful for equipment inspection.
some guys will keep an old ownership from that "1960" parts car the the motor came from as "proof" and i have never seen it challanged. might want to make sure its the same kinda car ie gm, ford or dodge, but they arnt usually car people so im not sure they would even notice if it wasnt

-- Edited by ga on Saturday 20th of February 2010 06:53:15 AM

-- Edited by ga on Saturday 20th of February 2010 06:55:03 AM

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Thanks for the insight Gaven. I'm sure you put a lot of minds at ease. Can we toss your name around if we get inspected? biggrin

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I hope Gavin's right , but from what the MOE guys said last summer, it sounded like they were going after the older " re-powered" cars as well!!! Anything for a "ticket" I've also heard that they were waiting outside of "shows & drag strips" as well, Markham fair grounds was one spot, looking for Nitrous, miss matched wheel & tires & exhaust violations, mostly "tuner cars" at that spot!!!!

ga · Addicted!

i hope so too, lets face it never say never, and places like race tracks
are good fishin holes. I had a hard time figuring out how MEO/MTO rules
are applied sometimes. A few years back a car rolled through, mid 80's
tercel type car, smoking like crazy, we thought for sure it would get pulled
off the road, but apparently it has to emit smoke for like 15 straight minutes
or something before it can be pulled, but the stuff like a missing cat is easy
to spot, but it was just a visual check, maybe the cats were empty shells
people dont do that do they?? Iam working on a 96 caprice LT1 and it will be
my first modern hotrod, so ill be interested in seeing whats required to pass
that through the etest

65wagon · Poncho Master!

Whats a emision inspection. cops near a tims impossible

65wagon · Poncho Master!

I retrofit all my engines with california spec circa 1965 emision equipment. This means closed pcv systems no stink tubes keeps oil burps off the engines and i put carcol canisters on all my fuel tanks. gets rid of the gas smell. as far as cats go i have a few cars from the eighties one with factory cat one without. the one with i just changed out the cat and exhust for my own highflow design went from 35 mpg to 55 go figure, the faster i go the better the mileage its great at 150. the earlier car never came with a cat but with modified exhust and carb it gets over 68mpg at 160 but criusing in the city i can get 2.6L to 3.9L with a resonably lite foot. the newer car is injected go figure. Now to finish off my rant the first two cars are not north american and i do by GM. i have a newer solstice and a toyota knock off ,the rag smoked like a banshee till it hit 10000km and there ain't no way itll get miliage even close to the two oldercars. the small wagon is even worse and i have tried every driving trick i know and Ive got a lot of triks .next step is engine and exhust ,the day i listen to these burocratic boneheds is the day i move switerland myself. I cant belive a 2ton midsixties pontiac can get close or better fuel cosumption ,never will by another GM product ever ! and that goes double for ford or crysler

-- Edited by 65wagon on Sunday 21st of February 2010 12:12:48 AM