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I print below an excerpt from a submission I have received for the Astro News Flash. Engine colours of Canadian Ponchos have always intrigued me.

I have personally never seen a green 348 in a Poncho, they have all been Chevy orange. Al Webster's perfect 1958 Parisienne that sold for $96,000 in October was orange and we all know Al to be meticulous. All 348 were built at Tonawanda so I suggest it would have been a production nightmare to make them green for the extremely few that were destine for Canadian Ponchos, BUT we also know that Poncho 348's and 409's never had bowties on the valve covers either, then the Poncho small blocks got specific Pontiac Script Valve covers too up to 57, so I am looking for some input on this. We all agree that 58 small blocks were Chevy Orange and 261's were always some shade of green, but 1958 348's green??

 Having restored a convertible and now putting the finishing touches on a hardtop I have been involved with this particular model for more years than I wish to remember. The 6 cylinder 261 and 348s were painted green from the factory but for some reason 283s were painted Chevy orange. This differed from previous 265s and 283s of the 55 thru 57 era that were painted green



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Could they by chance have been painted green in Oshawa over the Tonawanda orange?
Very interesting...

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EARLY 58 PRODUCTION? MAYBE STILL USING 57 COLOURS????

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I HAVE SEEN TRUCK ENGINES THAT WERE GREEN.
ANY CARS I,VE SEEN , ORANGE

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58 IN THE LINK PROVIDED, GREEN , ORANGE INTAKE ???

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Green is the truck color. 
All it is a truck motor, or service replacement engine.  that it all,  nothing more, nothing less.

Could be an original W motor car, but has some replacement parts.

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It took alot of digging but I found this on a truck site. Does this look green, if so its in a 1958 Fire Truck as shown.

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yes it does,,
my thoughts as well, green is truck.

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Ray My original 58 Pontiac that was only 2 years old when I bought it, had a 348 in it and the colour was orange! The valve covers were plain and I had them chrome plated!
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Thanks Bob.

I have had further correspondence with the author of the original post. He swears that they were green. If tHat is the case I am thinking early production as has been posted. Who knows the production numbers on the 348 in 58's ? It has to be very low.

Who has seen one? I've only seen one which was orange and on top of that I've only seen one 409 in a Canadian Poncho too so these W blocks are few and far between.

I have put a call into Walter Campbell, Canadian Pontiac Technical Advisor for POCI. Walter lives about 3 minutes from my office but I have never asked him about this because I never heard it before.  confuse

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I have seen a 307 with Pontiac script valve covers that was still original paint of light green. It was at least '68 vintage, and I don't know what it came out of.

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Walter called back, he said they are orange.  Said he never saw a green one BUT also said never say never with a Candian Poncho.

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eeluddy wrote:

I have seen a 307 with Pontiac script valve covers that was still original paint of light green. It was at least '68 vintage, and I don't know what it came out of.


These are the valve covers from 55/56 top and 57 bottom. Walter confirmed 57 was lime green as shown.

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looking at the pics of the 58 getting overhauled, I'll go out on a limb here and say it's a truck engine, and then someone changed out the intake and distributer from a passenger engine, ( notice the orange painted in place on the base of the distibuter ) Truck engines had governer distributers , hence they were changed out usually when dropping into a passenger car.

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I just got an insulting email from the gentleman, he is adament that they were green.

Here is the one from Al Websters collection:


1958 Parisienne 348 Tri-Power Convertible-3a.jpg

1958 Parisienne 348 Tri-Power Convertible-2.JPG

and another I have on file.....

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Brochure shows as orange.



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I was not aware previously that al Canadian 348s were built in Tonawanda as I assumed that they were built by The McKinnon Industries Ltd, St Catherines. Known imported GMC engines had a Pontiac Plant number and then acquired a seperate Canadian nunber. A 348 would be prefixed 'D' and a Powerglide one '9D', though I have no idea what a truck Hydramatic prefix would be. There were no rhd 348s so 'R' prefix.

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dats cool !! nice vintage Brochure !! smoking guns are good !

If anyone has a use for a vintage TURBOGLIDE....I have one in the shed.. not sure if it works,,pulled many years ago . It's still bolted to a 58 283. It would be almost free , I had paid $100 for the works , cause the guy selling it told me it as a hopped up 327 ...NOT !! He had wanted $500 for it till I showed him the block # was a 283.

Always ...always ..check the numbers.

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The 348 engine was first introduced in October of 1957.

The 348 was originally scheduled to be used only in Chevrolet trucks. More cubic inches were needed in the passenger cars so the 348 was used there as well.

In the first year, two versions were available; the 4-barrel 250hp and the 280hp equipped with 3-2 barrel carburetor's. Late in 58, another version was released, this time being the 315hp 348.

The additional horsepower was achieved by using a high lift cam and solid lifters. It also was equipped with the 3-2 barrel carb setup.

The 250hp, and the 280hp were available with powerglide or turboglide transmission, however the 315hp 348 was only available with the 3-speed transmission.

The 4-speed was available for the 59 models. The 305hp version was introduced and was nothing more than the 315hp with a 4-barrel instead of the 3-2 barrels.

Available for 1959 were the, 250hp, 280hp, 305hp, 315hp, 320hp and a 335hp 348's.

The higher horsepower engines were equipped with dual point distributors, improved head's and 2 1/2"exhaust. The carter AFB was also introduced and used on the 320hp.

By 1961, the horsepower was still growing. Now available were the 340hp and the 350hp 348's. This year would mark the birth of the famed 409 engine.


  • Cubic Inch=348
  • Bore=4.125
  • Stroke=3.25
  • Firing order=1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2
  • Engine Weight=640/650lbs
  • Forged Crank=has round flywheel bolt flange
  • Connecting rod length=6.135 inches
  • Crankshaft mains=2.4977
  • Push rod length=exhaust 9.140, intake 8.772
  • Push rod diameter=5/16" (all)
  • Fuel pump push rod length=5.75 inches
  • Dipstick on Drivers side
  • Ignition timing=4 degrees B.T.D.C.
  • Spark plugs=AC44 (standard), AC45 (hotter), AC43 (colder)
  • Spark plug gap=.035"
  • Rocker arm ration=1.75:1
  • Internally balanced
  • All 348's were assembled at the Tonowanda plant.
409



"All 348's were assembled at the Tonowanda plant. "



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Suffix Code Year Used Application Horsepower Cubic Inch Special Notes
F 1958-61 Pass. Car 250HP 348 V8 4Bbl. Manual trans.
FA 1958-61 Pass. Car 280HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls & Manual trans.
FB 1958-59 Pass. Car 315HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls, manual trans. and Hi Perf. solid Cam
FC 1958 Pass. Car (police) 315HP 348 V8 4 bbl and Hi Perf. Cam
FD 1958-59 Pass. Car 305HP 348 V8 4bbl., Man. Trans., high perf. solid cam
FE 1959 Pass. Car 335HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls and Man. Trans.
FE 1960 Pass. Car 335HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls, manual trans and High perf. solid cam
FG 1959 Pass. Car 320HP 348 V8 4 bbl., manual trans., High perf. solid cam
FG 1960 Pass. Car 320HP 348 V8 4 bbl., manual trans., High perf. solid cam
FH 1961 Pass. Car 350HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls, manual trans., High perf. solid cam
FJ 1960-61 Pass. Car 340HP 348 V8 4 bbl., manual trans., High perf. solid cam
FL 1961 Pass. Car 305HP 348 V8 4 bbl., manual trans., High perf. solid cam
G 1958-60 Pass. Car 250HP 348 V8 4 bbl., Powerglide
GB 1958-60 Pass. Car 280HP 348 V8 Powerglide
GD 1959-61 Pass. Car 305HP 348 V8 4 bbl., Powerglide, High perf. solid cam
H 1958-61 Pass. Car 250HP 348 V8 4 bbl., Turboglide
HA 1958-61 Pass. Car 280HP 348 V8 3-2 bbls, Turboglide


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1958-59 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TA 1958-59 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TC 1960-64 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TD 1960-61 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TD 1962-64 Truck 220HP 348 V8
TE 1960-61 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TE 1962-64 Truck 220HP 348 V8
TF 1961 Truck 230HP 348 V8
TF 1962-64 Truck 220HP 348 V8
U 1958-59 Truck 230HP 348 V8
UA 1958-59 Truck 230HP 348 V8
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YM 1965 Truck 220HP 348 V8 Manual trans.
YP 1965 Truck 220HP 348 V8


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Oracle wrote:

I was not aware previously that al Canadian 348s were built in Tonawanda as I assumed that they were built by The McKinnon Industries Ltd, St Catherines.

No big blocks were ever produced by McKinnon, 396, 427 and 454 all from Tonawanda and in fact 400 small blocks used in Canadian Pontiacs came from Tonawanda too. The 350 was McKinnon's largest small block produced.

 



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Interesting info! In 1940 Buffalo as it then was, plant supplied Oshawa with 216 engines that ended-up in CMP trucks..a 'B' being added to indicate.



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