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RE: 68 Beaumont


correct me if I'm wrong, but unless you see the GM docs , you don't know which 4 spd. you have , the trim tag code M20 just denotes that it was a 4 spd.

just what I thought ?? I could very well be wrong??

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Well that souns real mean.. I like it

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Muncie

M20 is wide ratio
M21 close ratio
M22 close ratio same as M21 BUT straight cut gears that are bullet proof,,,sort of...

The M22 is the noisy on that you hear in 2 Lane Blacktop in the 55....NICE !!!!

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so the M22 would be better cause it's Heavy Duty Thx again

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for Camaro

Manual 4-speed Transmissions

M20 was the generic RPO for a 4-speed transmission.

For lower performance applications (L6, 307, 327, and L65 350), the Saginaw 4-speed was utilized. It used a cast iron case. For higher performance applications (LM1 350, SS350, big blocks, and Z28) the Muncie 4-speed was used. It used an aluminum case and different gear ratios from the Saginaw 4-speed.

The primary Muncie 4-speed transmission was marketed under RPO M20. The close-ratio version of the Muncie 4-speed was RPO M21 and the heavy-duty close-ratio 4-speed was RPO M22. M21 and M22 transmissions were limited to specific high performance models.

The Camaro 4-speed manual transmissions ratios for both Muncie and Saginaw, with other Muncie data, are as follows:

 

             Maincase      Gear Ratios     Input  Grooves  Cluster Output 
RPO Years Casting 1st 2nd 3rd 4th Spline (Input) Pin Spline
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Saginaw
M20 67 3915032 3.11 2.20 1.47 1.00 L6 engine
M20 68-69 3925656 3.11 2.20 1.47 1.00 L6 engine
M20 67 3915032 2.54 1.80 1.44 1.00 V8 engine
M20 68-69 3925656 2.54 1.80 1.44 1.00 V8 engine

Muncie
M20 63-65 3851325 2.56 1.91 1.48 1.00 10 None 7/8" 27
M20 66-67 3885010 2.52 1.88 1.46 1.00 10 2 1" 27
M20 68-69 3925660# 2.52 1.88 1.46 1.00 10 2 1" 27
M20 70 3925661 2.52 1.88 1.46 1.00 10 2 1" 27
M20 71-74 3925661 2.52 1.88 1.46 1.00 26 2 1" 32

M21 63-65 3851325 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 1 7/8" 27
M21 66-67 3885010 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 1 1" 27
M21 68-69 3925660# 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 1 1" 27
M21 70 3925661 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 1 1" 27
M21 71-74 3925661 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 26 1 1" 32

M22 65 removed 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 None 1" 27
M22 66-67 3885010 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 None 1" 27
M22 68-69 3925660# 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 None 1" 27
M22 70* 3925661 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 10 None 1" 27*
M22 71-74 3925661 2.20 1.64 1.28 1.00 26 None 1" 32



Manual 3-speed Transmissions

There were two 3-speed manual transmission options available in the 67-69 Camaros.

The base manual transmission for non-high-performance models and 67-8 SS350's was the Saginaw 3-speed, M15. If no transmission option was selected, this was the tranmission installed. It was column shifted unless a console or RPO M11 floor shift was selected. An exception to this was SS350's, which required the HD 3-speed to get a floor shift.

The heavy-duty 3-speed manual transmission, made by Borg-Warner, was available as RPO M13 for 67-68 SS models. For SS350 models, M13 was optional (but required if you wanted a floor shift). For SS396 models, M13 was a required option if another transmission was not ordered.
In 1969, the heavy-duty 3-speed was supplied by Muncie and changed to RPO MC1. It was available on LM1 and SS models. For the LM1, it was a required option if another transmission was not ordered. For 69 SS models, the HD 3-speed trans was included in the SS package.

 

              Maincase    Gear Ratios   
RPO Years Casting 1st 2nd 3rd Comments
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Saginaw
M15 67 3858986 2.85 1.68 1.00 L6 engine
68-69 3925647 2.85 1.68 1.00 L6 engine
67 3858986 2.54 1.50 1.00 V8 engine
68-69 3925647 2.54 1.50 1.00 V8 engine

Borg-Warner
M13 67-68 T16-1 2.41 1.57* 1.00 * noted as
1.59 in 68
Muncie
MC1 69 3911940 2.42 1.58 1.00



-- Edited by 68sd on Monday 8th of March 2010 08:30:47 PM

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Thx that is awsome info " you rock "

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so, saying all that, M22 would be stamped on the trim tag ?? if say a 68 Beaumont was built as such from the factory?? sure would be great if that was the case...

This debate was discussed about late 70's Camaro's a while back?

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very cool , thanks for the lesson !!

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a while back , a member from Victoria posted these original option sheets .  Kinda interesting that the mis-spelled M20 option  ( N20 )  for a 4 spd.

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for 1969  (a M21 car would be rare for a Beaumont ,how many of the 43 would have got it?  ive seen 2 M20 69SDs and a MC1



-- Edited by 68sd on Monday 8th of March 2010 10:51:47 PM

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