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... a few things Randy (and anybody else that wants to weigh in...). Your engine compartment looks basically correct to me (exc. for alternator). Our '64 CS rag  is pretty original and looks pretty much identical to yours. I'll check on the hood springs for colour. You can buy "Underhood Black" spray paint from Eastwood @ about USD12.99/can, but with lots of looking I also found at Crappy Tire a Dupli-Color Low Gloss Black DE1634 engine enamel that seems to work well too. It's about $9.99 I think and is in their auto paint section with all the other engine paints. I think that the low-gloss black finish is correct for underhood applications on our cars.

On a related subject, I'm still trying to clarify the actual engine option in our car. I've sent to GM Historical for an original option list but still don't have anything back from a fax sent in early Jan. Ours has double-hump heads but also a 2 barrel (not now but when we got it..still have all the pieces..). I guess I'll just have to crawl under their and check the engine casting numbers. But it states in my original owner's manual that the 327's offered in full-size in '64 only came in 250hp and 300hp configuration, both with 4 barrels. Anybody have any thoughts..?



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RPO DESCRIPTION MODELS PRICE
L30 327 cubic inch V8 Engine, 250 horsepower All $133.85
L74 327 cubic inch V8 Engine, 300 horsepower All $194.65
L33 409 cubic inch V8 Engine, 340 horsepower All $342.10
L31 409 cubic inch V8 Engine, 400 horsepower ( add M20 only ) All $453.10
L80 Two X 4 barrel option ( 425 HP ) incudes L31 All $532.25
M35 Aluminum Powergilde automatic transmission / 6 cylinder engine All $262.85
M35 Aluminum Powerglide automatic transmission / V8 engine All $277.85
M20 All aluminum Muncie full syncromesh 4 speed / W/L30 no tach All W/L30 $262.85
M20 All aluminum Muncie full syncromesh 4 speed / with tachometer All W/V8 $330.45
M21 All aluminum Muncie full sync. 4 speed, close ratio / L31/L80 only All $330.45
M10 3 speed syncromesh with overdrive 6cyl & 283 $150.20
P12 14X6" wheels ( std. on Station Wagon ) 800X14 tires required All $7.60
G80 Positraction rear axle / all gear ratios All $60.85
G96 optional gear ratio... 3.08, 3.36, 3.55, 3.70, 4.11, 4.56 All $3.05


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The hood springs are color coded - these are the same ones as on my 62.
This car is likely to be correct since it was restored by Aubrey Bruneau. You can see it at his site in "past projects".
http://www.bruneauperformance.ca/intro.html

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looks like it could be a Stampede dealer emblem?


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-- Edited by 68sd on Thursday 25th of March 2010 08:41:15 PM

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Thanks kindly for the paint # recommendations and comments.

About your 327 ,....
My thoughts are also the 327 came only in 4bbl in a 1964 Pontiac.  Seeing as you had the double hump heads,.. it seems likely that someone possibly switched the intake and carb to a 2 bbl at one time.  (Although why is anybodys guess).  Someone may have had "gas mileage"  issues at one time and switched it.  You could check the casting number of the intake to see if it's a 64.  Although it is possible that someone coincidentally may have switched it to a 64 2 bbl intake.

I would guess that the he intake was switched.  I've never heard of a '64 327 2 bbl.
I had one other '64 Pontiac CS 327 a number of years ago and that one was a 4 bbl as well.

As far as the engine ID,. that's relatively easy to get to.  There's a stamp on the front of the engine deck,..(passenger side) to indicate the engine configuration. It's not a casting number,.. it was actually stamped into the deck with a punch at the factory. It may be covered under some grease ,.. but it is there.

Just my 2 cents.

-- Edited by 64 Hard Top on Friday 26th of March 2010 12:41:09 AM

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I agree and figured that someone may have switched the intake/carb at some point, probably for the reasons you cite. But one other thing I forgot to mention is that when we bought the car a year ago it had a single exhaust and again, right out of the owner's manual, it says that both 327 options came with duals. The problem I think is that over the course of 46 years and a number of owners, who knows who did what to the car and why? I'm probably being a bit anal anyway because the main reason for owning the car is fun, not to be necessarily 100% correct (although we will restore the engine compartment as correctly as time and $$ allow..). And whatever it had on it 46 years ago it now has Holley4bbl/Edelbrock manifold and duals and we like it better that way..! But I'm still enough of a purist to want an answer so when I get it I'll post it here, 'cause the double-hump heads with 2 bbl and single exhaust really has be baffled..oh, and ours does have an "arcing" or "curved" alternator bracket, not angled..


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...and ours was bought new at Pattison Motors in Vancouver. Pic of it now is attached...

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..that's the one..!

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Does anyone out there have access to a list of the deck stamp codes for 60s Canadian Pontiac engines?  (the code which was stamped on the front engine deck ,.passenger side)

It might help to determine which 327 HP version is in Neil's '64 CS. 

I know where there is a list of deck stamp codes for the 409 engine but I don't know of one for the small blocks.

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...thanks Randy...

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Ive been asking for a while, i know some of them 85 46----- is a 300horse with powerglide. the first two numbers are transmission codes the third leter is the year ie4 64 5 65 and so on the fourth leter is the engine 6 is a 327 a 4 is a 283 5?. your right about the economy thing in the early 80s that was a big trend to put two barrels on for fuel miliage big mistake its actual worse.

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Neil

I posted some info for you on another thread.

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/index.spark?aBID=118110&p=3&topicID=33914117

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-- Edited by 64 Hard Top on Sunday 28th of March 2010 11:48:26 PM

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...meant to mention Randy that I also checked our car for the hood springs - light blue...

Neil

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