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Beaumont 327 engines


Some questions regarding the equipment that came with the  L30   250 hp 327  and the L74  300 hp   327   Acadian Beaumonts in 1965.

Did  they come with 12 bolt rear ends  like the  L79  350 hp  car?
Did they also come with thermostat radiator fans ?

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12 bolts yes, not sure about the fan

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Thanks for clarifying the 12 bolt rearend for these engines.
As for the fan question;  I got some reading glasses and  got my answer from the  '65 Beaumont brochure.  All the 327 engines in that year had thermostat fans.

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Just to clarify are you saying all 327 cars got the 12 bolt or just that it was available as an option to any 327 car?

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Super Chief wrote:

Some questions regarding the equipment that came with the  L30   250 hp 327  and the L74  300 hp   327   Acadian Beaumonts in 1965.

Did  they come with 12 bolt rear ends  like the  L79  350 hp  car?
Did they also come with thermostat radiator fans ?



I was hoping to get you an answer from the parts book. I "think" I did. I would have thought any V8 could be had with HD cooling and that a fan clutch would be part of that option but not according to this:



Blade, fan
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3839282   64-65/ All with 194, 230 and 283 engine


3789562   64-65 all with 4 BC/ 283 and 327 engine




I would say that tells us all 283 2 barrels have no fan clutch.

I would say that tells us all 283 4 barrels have a fan clutch

I would say that tells us all 327 engines have a fan clutch (because there was no 327 2 barrel engine available.)

 



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1965 was a bit funny. After only having the 10-bolt through 1964, for 1965 all 327 cars used a 12-bolt rear. Even a 250-horse 327 with a Powerglide would have come with a 12-bolt that year.

For 1966 there was a regression in that department, all 327s only came with the 10-bolt rear again (except the L-79 Acadians)

In 1967 it is generally thought that the 10-bolts were used on all Beamont & Chevelles through the 327 275-horse engines, but it is not commonly known that if you ordered a 4-speed with the 275-horse engine you got the 12-bolt 3.07 rear rather than the 3.08 10-bolt rear. That also held true in 1968.

1969 was something else different.

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This car I am very familiar with. It's a factory 327 4 speed well optioned custom. It has and has always had a 10 bolt non posi 331:1 diff. It's my dads car that he bought when it was less than a year old.

-- Edited by Steve C on Sunday 16th of May 2010 11:52:20 PM

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Steve, I can check the books to make sure but it is likely 3.36 ratio if it's a 10 bolt. Can you find the stamping on the passenger side axle tube just to confirm that? That two letter code would state whether it's a limited slip or not, what ratio and whether or not the car has metallic brakes. I'd be curious to see what it has. I have no doubts you are correct if your dad had it that long. I'm more curious to see the different ratios offered in the 4 speed cars.

I am not used to seeing 3.07 or 3.08 with 4 speed like Cameron says but I never say never!

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Carl. Next time I go over I will check. Do you know if the stamping is on the top, side, bottom of the tube?

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Normally on the front of the tube but I've seen them a bit high and a bit low both.

Thanks, I am eager to see what it has! It will have a few numbers and letters but there is a 2 letter code in that group that tells the innards.

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Regarding the  3.07  and 3.08  being used with  4 speeds;    the brochures say that the '65   327  (250 hp  and 300 hp)  4 speed  came with a 3.07
and the '66    283  and 327  4 speed came with the  3.08
I can vouch for the '66 beaumont 327  4 speed coming from the factory with a  3.08  as that was what was in my new '66  SD

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Do you guys have any tricks for finding the stampings on the tube ?

Don't mean to high-jack, but I tried to find it on my 68 2+2 passenger side axle tube, but no luck.

The tube is also a bit rusty, so is there a trick to sand/file/whatever to get to the stamping without affecting the stamping itself ?

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Scott (LandShark ...)



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I usually use 80 grit. It's stamped pretty hard so you won't be able to erase it very easily.

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Should be stamped as below pic.



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HI,A FRIEND OF MINE HAD A 65 BEAUMONT( ORDERED IT NEW) , 2 DOOR SEDAN, L-79 , 4 SPEED, 12 BOLT AND CLUTCH FAN. AND YES IT WAS FAST.

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G.M. DOC. FOR THIS MODEL IN CHEVELLE SAID 11 MADE INCLUDING BEAUMONTS !!!

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Yes  that would be kind of different.... an L79  in a 2 door sedan.  Might even be a bit lighter in weight than the 2 door hardtop that  the L79 was usually ordered in.  And  quite a bit llighter than a convertible with the L79.

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Super Chief wrote:

Regarding the  3.07  and 3.08  being used with  4 speeds;    the brochures say that the '65   327  (250 hp  and 300 hp)  4 speed  came with a 3.07
and the '66    283  and 327  4 speed came with the  3.08
I can vouch for the '66 beaumont 327  4 speed coming from the factory with a  3.08  as that was what was in my new '66  SD



Just an add on for anyone reading and wondering why there are two almost identical numbers-

3.07 ratio is 12 bolt

3.08 ratio is 10 bolt.

 



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Hey Carl;

Regarding the ratio's    you mentioned  i.e.  3.07 is a  12 bolt  and  3.08  is a 10 bolt 
Does that hold  for all GM  makes ?   Chev, Pontiac, Buick, etc...

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I only know the Chevrolet diffs for sure. I would have to check the others.

There's been at least 3 styles ( more like 4 or 5) over the years and I think they each have their unique ratios.

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Okay, if that is a fact; then there have been times when the factory build sheets  have not been  totally accurate.

For example:  I ordered up a 1970 Pontiac Lemans SW  with the 400  hi compresion 330 hp motor along with the TH400  and I asked for a heavy duty rear end.
The car came with a builsheet which said  GU4  3.08  and G80 positraction.

Quite normal looking  as 1970 Pontiac Lemans, GTO's and Firebirds usually came with 10 bolt rear ends....so the buildsheet seemed to confirm that.

I had that wagon for 8 years.  Along the way  in the mid 1970's  I took the car to a rear end shop to have it rebuilt.  They told me that they found something quite unusual for that model of car.  It had a 12 bolt heavy duty Chev  rear enSo  that would mean that the buildsheet did no match up with what was really  at the rear of that car.

After I see what you have to say about this example,  I have another example to share with you

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Hmm, just going to run to get the parts book and see. I agree with you on the 12 bolts in Lemans (Canadian cars at least) but I'm "almost" ready to say I'll eat my shorts if a 12 bolt Chevy style diff ever had 3.08 gears.......... "Almost" is the key word!

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Just scanning the parts page from the parts book. Hope it will be readable.

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Based on the parts book listing, I stand by my statement. As always, proof of otherwise welcomed!  I only find 2.73  3.07  3.31  3.55 

I would call proof pictures of the gear set or stamping on an axle housing indicating otherwise.

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-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Friday 3rd of September 2010 08:59:42 PM

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