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help gm aluminum intake


ive been offered this gm Aluminum intake 3933163
should i go with it or stay with my Wieand steath single plane aluminum intake
also been offered a edelbrock performer  dual plane


numbers say 68-69 BB  396 L78 /L89/427 Copo

what would it be worth paying for it , i think i can get it at a fair price, would it help my HP any? or is it just a #s thing














-- Edited by 68sd on Friday 28th of January 2011 12:15:32 AM

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Dual Plane is designed for better low end torque and performance as well as mid range torque. They provide better driveability and fuel consumption. I think it depends on what you are building the car for but knowing you I suspect that it will used as a nice cruiser/driver in the situations described above. On top of that that is one cool OEM part. I'd go with the dual plane pictured.

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thanks ray ,i also have this 1974 Cast 454 intake ,but i guess its just a paperweight?

yup ,a nice  driver evileye


oh ya and i gotta stay under my big block hood ,dont wanna cut that up









-- Edited by 68sd on Friday 28th of January 2011 12:30:16 AM

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68sd wrote:

ive been offered this gm Aluminum intake 3933163
should i go with it or stay with my Wieand steath single plane aluminum intake
also been offered a edelbrock performer  dual plane


numbers say 68-69 BB  396 L78 /L89/427 Copo

what would it be worth paying for it , i think i can get it at a fair price, would it help my HP any? or is it just a #s thing














-- Edited by 68sd on Friday 28th of January 2011 12:15:32 AM



The GM intake is for large, rectangular port heads. They will work fine on oval port engines if thats what you have as long as you use the large port gaskets. I think that's one of the best manifolds available, and it has the factory look that I really like.

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yes your right ,i didnt think of the ports ,duh doh

thanks


dont know if i like the sound of mismatched intake ports as im running 68 oval port heads


-- Edited by 68sd on Friday 28th of January 2011 12:36:01 AM

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You can see the difference in the height and open plenum in the two photos, height helps to increase torque as well. That OEM aluminum is a classic design. I can't put my hands on my Chevy Power manual but I'm certain the big block build includes a intake like that. They run a big Holley but I'd stick with the Quadrajet for all round driveability. 

I have a few good Buick 430 - 455 Quadrajets. These  Buick Q-jets flow up to 850 cfm which is more than pretty much all other Quadrajets. The only thing is the fuel inlet is straight and the cruise night lawyers would pick up on that and call you out on it. The trade off is you get the biggest Quadrajet going with the flow to go when you call on it. 

US Pontiac guys go with the Buick carbs all the time because visually you can't tell the difference from a Poncho Q-Jet.

I have about 6 of these big Buick carbs so do some research and let me know.


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ok thanks this is the intake that came with my engine, worried it might be to high for my hood and its a single plane

i do want to make HP and not too worried about fuel economy ,thats what the other cars for,lol

and yes im not sure about the edelbrock carb either,i think i should go for a holly maybe , i did tinker with the quadrajet idea for a bit?

hmmm blankstare



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That intake will only take a Holley. You would need a adapter to fit a Quad. Is the Performer a oval port and able to take a Quad ?



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68sd wrote:

yes your right ,i didnt think of the ports ,duh doh

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dont know if i like the sound of mismatched intake ports as im running 68 oval port heads


-- Edited by 68sd on Friday 28th of January 2011 12:36:01 AM



They run superb with this particular port mis-match. First time I did it was about 1972 and the car ran faster.

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I am no expert on this but I think the centre divider has been ground out on that aluminum intake and if I'm right that considerably reduces the dual plane effect. Someone here know more about that stuff than I do?

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yes oval port performer

crap ,im way off

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i sold a guy a edelbrock aluminum intake for a 400 pontiac for 50 buck earlier in the year, i had to buy it to get a olds 350 one for my father in law.
both of these were like that notched in the middle?

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so i guess i should be asking what is the best top end set up for power in a big block chev?

so far i can say my engine has been balanced
bored
has a aftermarket speedpro cam that i cant say what it is?
double roller chain
high volume oil pump
and this wieand intake/edlebrock carb ,i think its a 650?

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GM Chevy Power performance manual recommends taking that material out. Wish i could find it. Someone must have it.

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68sd wrote:

so i guess i should be asking what is the best top end set up for power in a big block chev?



Everything I have ever read says single plane.

 



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

I am no expert on this but I think the centre divider has been ground out on that aluminum intake and if I'm right that considerably reduces the dual plane effect. Someone here know more about that stuff than I do?



It was the recomended modification back in the day.

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Holley had a kick ass 3 barrel in the late 60's ,, never caught on, the divider had to be cut for them to work right ......

look em up..a neat pice of history..

not saying that is why this intake is that way , but there was a theory out there at the time....

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and by the way,,,I run a stock cast iron 325 HP dual plain on my 454 with a spacer/adapter and a 650 CFM Edelbrock AFB...

Love it ..love it...love it ...

BUT the car only weighs 2800 lbs.....

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Also make sure you check it for cracks near the corners.

Find out if those studs for the thermostat housing are removable. Chances are good they are seized in there for life.

Check the threaded holes for the carb base plate. Those are often stripped.

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You sure the intake you have is a single plane ?  Weiand stealth intakes are dual planes.  There advertising for that intake is get single plane power on your street strip machine plus low rpm drivability with a Stealth high rise dual plane intake. Works from 1500-6700 rpm.



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rabbit64cs wrote:

Holley had a kick ass 3 barrel in the late 60's ,, never caught on, the divider had to be cut for them to work right ......

look em up..a neat pice of history..

not saying that is why this intake is that way , but there was a theory out there at the time....



My last drag car had a Holley 3 barrel on it. I tried lots of other carbs but none were better, most worse. Excellent driveability.

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its like this one
does it still count as dual plane?
i guess it is ,i see it now

Weiand #925-8019

Stealth Intake Manifold BB-Chevy 396-502ci - Oval Port4150 Carb FlangeIdle-6800 RPM RangeWeiand 8019 - Weiand Stealth Intake Manifolds




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That intake if its in great shape like Carl mentions, is worth easy 200 bucks and up. If you get it for less its a steal. Its a 396 375 hp or 427 425 hp or 454 450 hp intake and it works really well up to 5500 or so RPM , has good bottom end too as its a dual plane. As it looks a bit rough maybe offer 100 bucks and see ...and yes put a big square bore Holley on there if you wanna make horsepower

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unless the GM is $100...go with the "say why and " you can't go wrong...

grind the casting name off it if you want to keep them guessing....

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The Weiand stealth is the counter to Edelbrock Performer RPM. The other Weiand is the Stealth AIr strike  with isolated runners, there counter to Edelbrocks Air gap. Both are dual planes. I would just keep it.

Look at the runner pattern of the Stealth and the runner pattern of the GM Alum. stock, they look identical. Like Rabbit says, grind the name of it and will be hard to tell. Paint it chevy orange and realy make it stealthy.





-- Edited by Beaumont4008 on Friday 28th of January 2011 02:00:33 AM

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