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69 2+2


seems to be a great price for this car

 

1969 PONTIAC 2+2 BIG BLOCK CAR

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 Kijiji: 1969 PONTIAC 2+2 BIG BLOCK CAR 
   
Date Listed23-Sep-11
Price$7,500.00
LocationRegina Area Moose Jaw
For Sale ByOwner
MakePontiac
ModelOther
Trim2+2
Year1969
Kilometers46000
Body TypeCoupe (2 door)
TransmissionAutomatic
ColourGold
DrivetrainFront-wheel drive (FWD)
Fuel TypeGasoline
   
Original 1969 2+2 with 396! Very Rare! Good shape. Interior needs some work and very minimal rust. Runs and drives! Video of car can be seen on youtube search 1969 pontiac 2+2

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He had it for sale in the spring for $9,500. Tough market. 



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Sure looks good in those colors. 



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After going through the video, I notice there's some rust-through on the hood (so it'll probably need paint) and the interior needs help, plus the engine compartment needs a going over.

What is everybody's opinion on the value of this car in today's market, given the work that it will need?



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Based on my personal knowledge of 4 recent big block B Body sales 1969 and 1970 cars this price is fair. These cars have a limited market then and now. These big block cars are rare because nobody bought them in the first place.  



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i get surprised when i see one still with its motor , how it survived the 80s and 90s without someone retrieving it for a A body is just amazing



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68sd wrote:

i get surprised when i see one still with its motor , how it survived the 80s and 90s without someone retrieving it for a A body is just amazing


 I guess it never rolled through Morris Manitiba.....



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73SC wrote:
68sd wrote:

i get surprised when i see one still with its motor , how it survived the 80s and 90s without someone retrieving it for a A body is just amazing


 I guess it never rolled through Morris Manitiba.....


 

 



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Being realistic in today's market you need to know how much a fully restored or #1 original model of this car is worth. Let's say mid teens, based on Todd's car that was very nicely restored and didn't need, interior,paint, wheels, steering wheel, rust repair,chassis work or chrome replating. It was not a factory 396, nor a 2+2, so add $3500-5000 to it to be generous.
So top dollar, fully restored, I'll say $18-20 is probably on the high side but for the sake of argument call it at that.

As a good old driver with needs, $7500 is going to be tough to get.

Just my opinion, and I really like these cars, prefer a 70 but these are still a fav of mine.

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$5000.00 is a real world  starting figure    buy no one wants to go there .....



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427carl wrote:

$5000.00 is a real world  starting figure    buy no one wants to go there .....


 Sounds fair to start..............no Sorry, but thats the marketashamed



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One of the cars I refer to above recently sold for $4,700. It was a GP 427 2dr driver with original paint. I still feel that this car would bring a premium based on being a 2+2 as Earl has already stated. 



-- Edited by 73SC on Thursday 13th of October 2011 06:22:03 PM

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73SC wrote:
68sd wrote:

i get surprised when i see one still with its motor , how it survived the 80s and 90s without someone retrieving it for a A body is just amazing


 I guess it never rolled through Morris Manitiba.....


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OOOOOOOOUCH!!!!!!

Bring it on down, we'll rescue that rat from under the hood in a heartbeat!

Seriously, I'm with Carl. I would agree in today's market, realistic for this car is likely 5K. It should be 8-9K, and it would be if we were a few years back...



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eeluddy wrote:

Being realistic in today's market you need to know how much a fully restored or #1 original model of this car is worth. Let's say mid teens, based on Todd's car that was very nicely restored and didn't need, interior,paint, wheels, steering wheel, rust repair,chassis work or chrome replating. It was not a factory 396, nor a 2+2, so add $3500-5000 to it to be generous.
So top dollar, fully restored, I'll say $18-20 is probably on the high side but for the sake of argument call it at that.

As a good old driver with needs, $7500 is going to be tough to get.

Just my opinion, and I really like these cars, prefer a 70 but these are still a fav of mine.


 I had a hard time getting $5400 for Todd's car back when the market was good-ya not a 2+2 or big block but great body and chrome-I agree$7500 today is going to be tough to get-the party is over



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I'm trying to remember, was the 69 396 in these cars a 2 barrel?  I know there were 2 versions of 427 available (335 & 390 hp), but was there only 1  396 engine option?



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I'm trying to remember, was the 69 396 in these cars a 2 barrel?  I know there were 2 versions of 427 available (335 & 390 hp), but was there only 1  396 engine option?


 Yes, the 396 that year was a regular fuel 2-barrel. The previous 396 325-horse was replaced with the 427 335-horse.

From decades of observations I can honestly say that any big block Canadian Pontiac has always been a rarity. I do remember seeing a 69 Parisienne with a 396 about 30  or so years ago.



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So, this is a 69 396 2 bbl, and the car I sold Hillar was a 70 400 2bbl that I'd added a 4 bbl to (a proper 70 300hp 350 quadrajet and intake).   The body on the 70 wasn't perfect either, but it was in better shape than this 69.  The interior on the 70 was very nice (front and rear seats had been redone) and the door panels / headliner were very good.     I think I paid $4900 for the 70 when I bought it in BC, but did a bunch of things to it (to pass safety inspection, and cosmetic) before selling it to Hillar.

So, use that as a guide.  Is a 396 2bbl big block worth much more than a 400 2bbl small block?   



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CdnGMfan wrote:
seventy2plus2 wrote:

I'm trying to remember, was the 69 396 in these cars a 2 barrel?  I know there were 2 versions of 427 available (335 & 390 hp), but was there only 1  396 engine option?


 Yes, the 396 that year was a regular fuel 2-barrel. The previous 396 325-horse was replaced with the 427 335-horse.

From decades of observations I can honestly say that any big block Canadian Pontiac has always been a rarity. I do remember seeing a 69 Parisienne with a 396 about 30  or so years ago.


 I haven't seen many big block Pontiacs in person - just my 69 427; a 69 2+2 with a 396 2bbl also here in my area; the 68 427 GP that was in PEI and that Mike now owns; and a 70 2+2 454 convt I saw in New Brunswick 2 years ago. 



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One M20 out of 14. Boy those two 427 4dr Hardtop Grande Parisiennes would have been be nice cars. Something I could see myself driving at my age if we could roll back time, especially that GM company car, black on black same as my DTS. 



-- Edited by 73SC on Friday 14th of October 2011 09:45:54 PM

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