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General thought is no 396 in 65 Pontiac, first year is 66 and looks like 409 went to the end of 65 production unlike Chevy which quit around January 1965 when they went to 396.



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Yup I've heard of a couple of 65 with 396's but we have never confirmed that they were orginal installs. The consensus here is that Canadian Pontiacs first got 396s  starting with the 66 models as they were so few 409s installed in 65 (like 100 or so) it probably just wasn't  worth it to change the line mid year (As well they probably wanted to use up the stock they had so they shipped them to Canada.)

The latest ones we have confirmation on were built in April 65 well after the US switched over so our theory holds unless some one comes up with a real 65 396 car.

 



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I think we satidfied ourselves that 396 engines did not get into Pontiacs on the assembly line. The two most compelling reasons are the late build cars cited by Ken plus the fact that the 1966 sales brochure when discussing engines describes the 396 as "new for 1966".



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Yeah Forgot that part.  Its a topic that surfaces every six months or so and there havent been any new leads lately.

 



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38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
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hey havent talked for a while, hows the weather up their, if this lasts till the new year ill be laughing



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Howdy same as yours I think, just a bit of snow and usually around freezing.

Spending a lot of time on the 66 Grande finally.  Making good progress.  Put on a nice dual exhaust as per stock, new rear shocks and an F41 sway bar setup as well and am now changing all the rubber bushings in the front suspension.  With any luck  the  front clip will be back on by Christmas! Just have to patch the bottom of the pass fender and put it all back together.

After that its only wiring, upholstery and then the rest of the body work.  Hardly anything!



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38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
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after last year ill take this, im trying to jugle renovating our trailer and working on the body of my truck some progress but its slow going. i see you guys are one up on me for engine jobs, ive only oiled the 09 up again started to flash over with rust agian, maybe its a hint



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66 Grande guy wrote:

Howdy same as yours I think, just a bit of snow and usually around freezing.

Spending a lot of time on the 66 Grande finally.  Making good progress.  Put on a nice dual exhaust as per stock, new rear shocks and an F41 sway bar setup as well and am now changing all the rubber bushings in the front suspension.  With any luck  the  front clip will be back on by Christmas! Just have to patch the bottom of the pass fender and put it all back together.

After that its only wiring, upholstery and then the rest of the body work.  Hardly anything!

 No hurry any more Ken!!! wink



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Hey I'm building it for me now!



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38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
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Oh sure, so right away you pick up the pace!

It sure would be great to see that car on the road next summer, all finished or not. At least put some miles on it.

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it all takes time money and lots of motivation, some of us must justify a use for the project. but this sight is good motivation



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You bet! Better get to work on the 409!



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38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
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didnt i say money, i need to put a wood stove in the trailer and i priced out stove pipe eek, is this pricy stuff



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For mobomac's info



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39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
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Got it.....Thanks



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