Whats the market for a 409 car these days?

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

RE: Whats the market for a 409 car these days?

65wagon · Poncho Master!

thats all the ones i can remember but i was wondering that my self, we may never know

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

I just checked our registry and there are 5 409 cars there, your wagon plus a yellow one you spotted, the two black ones - all CS and the tourquoise Parisienne I just posted.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

nice find for the "right" guy I like it !

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

OK guys so the car deal that my brother was working on that was going to force the sale of the 65 409 ain't gonna happen so he tells me now that he'll keep it at least to drive through one summer.

He's planning to have it at the Red Deer super run pretty much warts and all (as it is)so if any of you are down there you can pressure him there and maybe he'll come home on the bus.

I am sorry for getting everybody's blood pressure up especially with this aging crowd. (heh heh)

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

66 Grande guy wrote:
He's planning to have it at the Red Deer super run pretty much warts and all (as it is)so if any of you are down there you can pressure him there and maybe he'll come home on the bus.
The warts and all are what makes it so special. It's a Icon of Canadian Ponchodom.

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I'll have to tell him that. Maybe we should use it as a feature car complete with war stories.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

66 Grande guy wrote:
I'll have to tell him that. Maybe we should use it as a feature car complete with war stories.

I'll gladly write it up in Astro News Flash, are we on?

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I'm up for it! Are the guys ready for a scarred old veteran instead of shiny perfection?

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

You better believe it.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

A car like that is almost as cool as a big block factory air 66 Grande Parisienne...

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Its coming along.....

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Carl Stevenson wrote:
A car like that is almost as cool as a big block factory air 66 Grande Parisienne...

That gave me a good chuckle Carl biggrin

mr409 · Addicted!

66 Grande guy wrote:
I believe the frame is solid but I'll have to verify. I also believe you may have stirred up a hornets nest so I'll just stand back for a while....

Thats why I'm here.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

That is neat Pete, we are not likely to see it, have you?

Six cars from an estimated 74 made, thats 8% accounted for.

Does the dentist have one??

-- Edited by 73SC on Saturday 18th of February 2012 05:18:11 PM

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

I may be stating the obvious but '63 seems to be the least produced because we don't see them even thought I have never seen production numbers.

1964 data I have from George Z suggest 30 340 HP were made and 65 Wagon is saying 19 in 1965 however we have documents suggesting at least 74.

Our registries show the following:

1963 - 2 / ?

1964 - 2 / 30+

1965 - 5 / 74+

For 1966 up we have big blocks as follows in the registry:

1966 - 8 ( 7-396, 1-427)

1967 - 14 (11-396, 3-427)

1968 - 13 (9-396, 4-427)

1969 - 12 ( 3-396, 9-427)

1970 - 4 all 454

-- Edited by 73SC on Saturday 18th of February 2012 05:19:06 PM

65wagon · Poncho Master!

probably not assembly line more than likely dealer installed but nothing is unheard off, i even heard the story about people ordering cars them arriving with the wrong engine then 09 being installed by the dealers and big discounts if people wanted them before the 396s arrived all rumors of course

-- Edited by 65wagon on Saturday 18th of February 2012 03:13:36 PM

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

73SC wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:
A car like that is almost as cool as a big block factory air 66 Grande Parisienne...
That gave me a good chuckle Carl

This quote gave me a smile:

"It's a Icon of Canadian Ponchodom".

Pierre Berton could not have said something better!

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

73SC wrote:
That is neat Pete, we are not likely to see it, have you?
Six cars from an estimated 74 made, thats 8 % accounted for.
Does the dentist have one??

Yes I have Ray, excellant condition, hasn't been out of the garage in at least 10yrs!!!![ maybe moved in & out but thats it]

-- Edited by 73SC on Saturday 18th of February 2012 05:19:57 PM

66 Grande guy · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

poncho62 wrote:
What about 65 396s?... In the early 70s, a friend of mine bought a Pontiac wagon for the 396, took it and put it in his Firebird. I am pretty positive it was a 65, if not it was a 66

We've done quite a bit of digging but have never found a verified 65 396. We also know from some of the cars we have found that GM of Canada kept putting in 409's (in Pontiacs anyway) long after the states stopped. (We have a 409 car built as late as Mid April.)

The consensus here (until proven otherwise) is that Can Pontiac didn't actually offer the 396 until the 66 model year as it states in the sales brochure that the 396/ 427 is new for 66.

On the other hand we will quickly change our thinking if somebody actually comes up with a real one.

It would be real interesting to hear from the 65 chevy 409 guys in terms of latest build dates too.

-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Saturday 18th of February 2012 04:20:43 PM

-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Saturday 18th of February 2012 04:21:47 PM

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Yes I was taking the 19 as a figure that had been verified from earlier in this post so it seems that the actual figure is much higher based on documentation from GM. I should also say that the 30 for 1964 is 30 340 HP cars so overall total would be greater as well. I will adjust my post.

Regarding 1965 396's we had satisfied ourselves that they do not exist from the factory. Nonetheless we would love to see a documented car.

-- Edited by 73SC on Saturday 18th of February 2012 05:20:30 PM

65wagon · Poncho Master!

the yellow one i spotted is sitting in my yard and the engine is on a stand

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

73SC wrote:
I just checked our registry and there are 5 409 cars there, your wagon plus a yellow one you spotted, the two black ones - all CS and the tourquoise Parisienne I just posted.

Ray, you can add 1 more to the count, thats the one Carl was refering to, Joes red C/S 409 4spd. rag top. He's on here but never posts, just "lurks in the background"!!!!!! He's got Carls 66 Strato Chief now.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

He has a few 409 cars but I am unsure what years. Perhaps he'll PM me or you with the details.

poncho62 · Poncho Master!

What about 65 396s?... In the early 70s, a friend of mine bought a Pontiac wagon for the 396, took it and put it in his Firebird. I am pretty positive it was a 65, if not it was a 66