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run a hotwire from battery to hei "battery" terminal and see if she goes.if not is choke stuck closed? if no start throw in some new fuel see if it fires if not check hei module LET US KNOW HOW IT GOES



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Hey guys

Tried to nudge the '63 out of her slumber yesterday without success.  She is 50 now, and does need her beauty rest, I guess.  As mentioned, she turns over great, and I can see fuel in the filter below the carb.  I'm wondering If there is a fuse or relay in the engine bay that isn't functioning.  The reason I ask is that the headlights have now gone MIA.  The dash lights and tail lights turn on, but the headlights are conspicuously absent.  May be related to the lack of spark?  any ideas?  Thanks in advance. 



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Start cleaning connections!! Then check the points & you may have to sand or file the contacts to get a spark. How's the gas for being "OLD" 2 mths & it's usually TOAST unless you socked the Sta-Bil to it!! How long has the car sat????

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I've got an HEI setup, so I don't see your point, ha ha.  But the gas is old for sure.  She's been garaged since the fall of 2011.  I did start her periodically, but haven't filled the tank in over a year.  I'll try some fresh gas and see how that goes.  Thanks!



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use a timing light to see if you have a spark or hold a plug to ground on the engine (with a spark plug wire attached)
and watch for spark.


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Is your HEI a GM part OR NEW chinese JUNK???

The electrical components in the china ones go bad real fast.....

If your HEI is an original GM one,the replacement modules you buy at the parts store are made in china....

Clean your connections,as Duel Quad Pete says & check for spark @ the plugs.....don't forget to prime the carb...

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If you prime the carb make sure you put the air cleaner back on before trying to start it. A little spilled gas and a backfire can cause lots of unwanted issues.

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Fuel...compression....spark

Is it getting fuel to the carb?...Is it getting spark......

Take the plugs out, clean or replace....Do a compression test while they are out......

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

If you prime the carb make sure you put the air cleaner back on before trying to start it. A little spilled gas and a backfire can cause lots of unwanted issues.

 Carl, you have to be prepared in that situation!!  I always have a "long' stick" & hot dog weiner, that way you put the "FIRE" to good use,especially if it's around meal time!!!!



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

If you prime the carb make sure you put the air cleaner back on before trying to start it. A little spilled gas and a backfire can cause lots of unwanted issues.

 Exactly, safety first ... put some fresh gas down the carb, if that doesn't wake it up, it's probably electrical.



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

If you prime the carb make sure you put the air cleaner back on before trying to start it. A little spilled gas and a backfire can cause lots of unwanted issues.

 Carl, you have to be prepared in that situation!!  I always have a "long' stick" & hot dog weiner, that way you put the "FIRE" to good use,especially if it's around meal time!!!!




The weiners cooked over a gasoline fire just aren't quite the same though Pete.

That smell of burnt arm hair from the guy unlucky enough to be manually operating the throttle underhood is also not very appealing!

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Success!!! Turns out my problem was the combination of a completely worn out battery (wouldn't or couldn't hold a charge) and some really crap gas. And in my research, I did discover that my HEI was plugged into 9V resistor wire, so i've corrected that as well. 12V to a switched ignition source did the trick. I was thinking to accomodate the extra 3 volts, I may open up the plug gap .05 to about .40 and see if that does anything. I'm not expecting any seat of the pants HP gains, but I'm hoping a hotter spark will give me a cleaner burn, to help out in the emmisions dept. To answer the previous poster, it appears to be a stock delco-remy unit, and it was providing decent spark at 9V. Thanks all for the advice!

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Actually I would go .045 for a plug gap. Most applications used that with HEI and considering the fuel issues these days you might be better off with that.

It's good to hear you had success!

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Thanks Carl! I'll set 'em at .045. Cheers!

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HEY THATS GREAT not as much fun as gas in the carb but it does look wet in your avater

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The original plugs in my 64 327 were always a bit dark. Put in an HEI re-gapped the plugs to 43. A week later I replaced these old plugs with new AC 44s. When I removed the old plugs they were clean an the tan colour they should be. If the addition of the HEI and larger gap cleaned these old plugs it also means it cleaned the combustion chamber. So I put a camera probe into the spark plug hole and observed a clean piston top and combustion area. The hotter spark seems to be working and the car runs better.
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Magician40 wrote:

 The hotter spark seems to be working and the car runs better.

 Same here, I put in a R45 plug instead of a R43 (previous owner put them inno ... way too cold), and what a difference. An R45 is a good "putt around town" plug. My car starts right up without fouling. A R43 plug is good for "harder driving".



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If I am reading this correctly, Pontiacanada is using Resistor plugs (AC R45) and Magician is using regular plugs (AC 44). With an HEI setup, should I resist or not? I've already eliminated my 9V resistant wire so my gut is saying go regular, but I have no data to back this up. Thoughts?

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paris63 wrote:

Hey guys

  ........... The reason I ask is that the headlights have now gone MIA. 

The dash lights and tail lights turn on, but the headlights are conspicuously absent. 

Check the dimmer switch on the floor.......major cause of no headlights

The floor switch becomes corroded and headlights are the first to go......

 



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paris63 wrote:

Thanks Carl! I'll set 'em at .045. Cheers!

         I normally gap mine at  .044.5



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paris63 wrote:

Thanks Carl! I'll set 'em at .045. Cheers!

         I normally gap mine at  .044.5




Good idea, you won't get speeding tickets that way because your car will be too slow.



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paris63 wrote:

Thanks Carl! I'll set 'em at .045. Cheers!

         I normally gap mine at  .044.5

 That's metric.blankstare



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...got Autolite 86's in ours right now. Runs fine but they do foul up a bit. But our engine has a bit of blow-by anyway. Would you recommend going with the AC R45's?



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...and we have a Petronix electr. ignition, so should we go wider on the gap? I think they're just set at .035" now...



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...also having trouble passing the BC AirCare idle test. Everything else passes but that...



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