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Yup, lots of my drag racing buddies in my earlier years used that PF932 on their Chevys.

Oh, and please please please don't use a Fram. You're better off with NO filter!

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Carl. I'd be interested in why you're beating up on Fram.

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yes  whats wrong with Fram ?     (other than they are junk)    My dad used to use them and he died.....



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I've cut open Fram filters to compare a number of times and unless they've changed them in the last couple of years, they are likely one of the worst made filters on the market. The paper inside is not supported properly and collapses which allows the oil just to flow right through without being filtered.

I never used to say to much because I thought it was just me but then I saw someone who had serious issues with a Fram (and he posted pics) on another forum a few years back. I can't recall for sure but I am thinking it was a 455 Pontiac engine.

I'll see if I can find that thread.

It's a lot of fun cutting open old filters and comparing quality. If you've never done it, I highly recommend it. It can be a real eye opener.

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So what should we be looking at using? Seems to me CTC only has Fram and their house brand ( which could well be Fram with a different paint job ) and a limited number of Quaker State.

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My computer is giving me a bit of grief and I can't get the forum to open where I saw his thread. I'll try to get it, because he had perfect pictures of the failure.

I like AC Delco, Wix, NAPA (which is made by Wix).



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Is the ac filter still available ?



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I'm assuming you mean the PF932. Yes, easy to get, we stock them because there's still a number of farmers out here running 366 or 427 grain trucks and that's the original filter on them.

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This isn't the thread I mean but here's an interesting one-

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=430463&highlight=fram+failure

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

I'm assuming you mean the PF932. Yes, easy to get, we stock them because there's still a number of farmers out here running 366 or 427 grain trucks and that's the original filter on them.


         Car Quest use  85794 number which is Wix in their blue line    Napa Gold is 1794  and Wix is 51794 as well   



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Another one to read-

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=401271&highlight=fram+failure

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

 we stock them

 

because there's still a number of farmers out here running 366 or 427 grain trucks and that's the original filter on them.


         Wow   Farmers with big blocks !!!   Did they keep them locked in Barns when you were younger??????? 



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Found it!

Here's the thread-

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=456026&highlight=fram+lost+oil+pressure

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Friday 10th of April 2015 11:07:26 PM

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And for those who don't want to do all that reading, here's what happens to the Frams.

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does anybody know who makes CARQUEST filters? they have 2 grades


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427carl wrote:

Carl Stevenson wrote:

 we stock them

 

because there's still a number of farmers out here running 366 or 427 grain trucks and that's the original filter on them.


         Wow   Farmers with big blocks !!!   Did they keep them locked in Barns when you were younger??????? 





I bought up a lot of them as they "expired", don't worry!

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I use a NAPA Gold canister in the '64 and in my truck, AC Delco.



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many threads on other car sites about fram....

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/fram-filters-nightmare-story.295635/

 

i use the truck 51794 wix filter, plug the bypass on all my engines

wix makes the napa gold and carguess filters

the older white ac delco filters were made by wix, newer blue filters are made by champion labs



-- Edited by 2drpost on Saturday 11th of April 2015 08:15:42 AM

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Interesting. I've only ever used Fram. Never been an issue.


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you guys actually chagne the oil in your cars....

 

I should do that someday ..hmm



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65Camino wrote:

Interesting. I've only ever used Fram. Never been an issue.


 Me too. Never cut one open to look inside but wouldn't have any basis for comparison anyway. The service life on mine is pretty short.



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I 'll share an experience I had with aftermarket oil filters a while back. I have an 06 Sierra with the 5.3. I have always used Mobil 1 Synth. but one time I changed to Pennzoil Synth. when Walmart had it on sale for a great price. I also purchased 2 oil filters from them at the same time. I believe they were Purolator. After changing the oil & filter I noticed a pretty good drop in oil pressure. Thinking it to be the oil I changed back to Mobil 1 and installed the other Walmart filter. Same thing- oil pressure lower than usual.I then took it to Melnyk's ( GM dealership) to have the oil pressure verified in case it was an indication problem. The mechanic approached me after noticing the filter. He asked me if he could change it to an Ac Delco and then we'll look at the oil pressure. FIXED! Oil pressure back to normal. Apparently they have experienced failures of some aftermarket filters where the paper disintegrated and plugged some passages causing engine failure. His next question was why buy an aftermarket filter when we can sell you an AC Delco for almost the same price? That is all I use now.

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Jim, you voice my sentiments exactly. I have yet to see an oil pressure related issue with an AC filter, that's why I stick with them.

I have a farmer customer who has a VERY expensive story about a Fram. I know, it's not an automotive application in his case, but my point is that something so crucial needs to be a quality part.

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65Camino wrote:

Interesting. I've only ever used Fram. Never been an issue.


 Darryl, have you ever opened up your Fram oil filters, to check for the damage?



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