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RE: Bought a Canadian built GM car ... TOO!


Randy I never knew that. Then again, I've never even ridden in a late 50's car much less driven one. Thanks for sharing, I learned something today.

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Leaving very early Saturday morning with a trailer, to go pick up the car.

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GLHS60 wrote:

I'm not qualified to answer but in 4-3-2-1... cdnGMfan should know all the details!!! 

Cam...

I hope you enjoy your new found park!! Spread the word.  Also, Hydramatics don't have a torque convertor..

 

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-- Edited by GLHS60 on Tuesday 21st of July 2015 11:12:59 PM


 Ha ha ha, too funny! I am actually not sure what the differences were on the U.S vs. Canadian 98s. Certain models were made in Canada but probably not the whole product mix. It probably depends also on the year.

 

 

AFAIK the old 4-speed Hydros saw their replacement, the TH400 in 1961 on Pontiac Bonnevilles & maybe certain Cadillacs. The old 4-speed Hydro limped along another year or 3 on a dwindling number of car lines on limited models.

 

Gramps had a car similar to that Olds 98, a 1953 Cadillac Sixty-Two Series sedan with a 4-speed Hydro & a 331 V8. He stored it in the 1960s and sold it in 1978.



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Thanks for the info. I can report that the PARK position on the tranny works perfect  :)  Thanks again!

 

Finally got the old girl in the yard ... after 874 KMs ... mostly in rainy conditions. Tomorrow ... wash and wax!

 

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I know this is not a Canadian Pontiac ... I can stop posting in this thread if it the content is undesirable. No hard feelings.

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CdnGMfan wrote:
GLHS60 wrote:

I'm not qualified to answer but in 4-3-2-1... cdnGMfan should know all the details!!! 

Cam...

I hope you enjoy your new found park!! Spread the word.  Also, Hydramatics don't have a torque convertor..

 

Thanks

Randy 



-- Edited by GLHS60 on Tuesday 21st of July 2015 11:12:59 PM


 

 

 

AFAIK the old 4-speed Hydros saw their replacement, the TH400 in 1961 on Pontiac Bonnevilles & maybe certain Cadillacs. The old 4-speed Hydro limped along another year or 3 on a dwindling number of car lines on limited models.

 

 


 Cam, I think 1964 was the first year for the T-400 and all had torque convertors..

The Roto Hydramatic, used in many 1961-1964 models, was affectionately nick named

Slim Jim due to its reduced size.  Like the earlier Hydramatic, it also didn't use a torque convertor.

 

Thanks

Randy



-- Edited by GLHS60 on Saturday 25th of July 2015 06:16:12 PM

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I know this is not a Canadian Pontiac ... I can stop posting in this thread if it the content is undesirable. No hard feelings.


 



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Turbo 400 trans didn't show up till 65 in US Pontiac's

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Finally got the old girl in the yard ... after 874 KMs ... mostly in rainy conditions. Tomorrow ... wash and wax!


 I'd love to see this car next time I'm in the area. Good stuff!



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I am going to polish her up some, and with her first showing will be next weekend in Memramcook, NB., I hope to get everything (papers etc.) in order by then.

I thought that this was a Canadian car. While looking in the Canadian maintenance manual for it ... I come across this bit of information ... ''All 98 models are US made'' ... so even though it may have been sold new by a Canadian dealer ... they are the same as the American ones.

I am wondering if I can get info for this car from the GM heritage people ... like for the Canadian Pontiacs?



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If it was sold in Canada you can get the info from GM Vintage Vehicle Services.

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I took it out today for a shakedown cruise. I did about 100 miles with it. If I try to go more than 45 MPH with it, she starts to shake ... like if there was something out of balance, so I kept it on the side roads ... no highway driving. It almost feels like an out of balance drive shaft. I will be investigating this further.

The front end felt really loose. I understand that these old cars had plenty of play in the wheel ... but this was ridiculous. I stopped at a buddy's shop and he took a look at it. Says it needs Kingpins and bushings. Stopped at another friend's shop ... he looked and said it needed tie rods for sure ... kingpins not sure ... maybe other front end parts. I think I am going to consult a front end pro and see what it REALLY needs.

When I started this morning it was idling ok with a slight lumpiness. When I finished ... the lumpiness was more exaggerated and the car felt like it was close to stalling when stopped and in gear. Might have to talk to a local carb guru about some minor carb tuning. I don't think it needs a rebuild because it starts right up ... idles (lumpy) and accelerates well with no stumbling whatsoever. We will see what the carb doc has to say.

Over all ... I had a BLAST!!!

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As per another thread running here, maybe the fuel is old in it? That can certainly causer poor idle.

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I thought about the old fuel ... started the day with 3/4 of a tank ... ended with just below 1/4 ... filled her up with premium ... no improvement on the way home (about 2 miles) ... we shall see ... spent a little time at the camper with my spouse. It was a gorgeous day!11811340_10152892211316386_7688581352614162149_n.jpg



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Possibly it has the idle circuit in the carb gummed up?

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Is there somewhere you can still get OEM quality or NOS kingpin/bushing sets?

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If you can find one from Moog it should be as good as OEM.

Do you have a NAPA store near you that has either an old guy on the counter, or a car nut on the counter? I know most of the parts stores don't employ people that will take the time for you on that car but I won't be shocked if Moog still offers that kit.

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I know of a couple of car nuts that work at a Napa store 20 minutes away. I will check them out. Thanks for the info.

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I've been a partsman for 39 years and I just can't resist when someone asks for parts information....

I got out an old Moog catalogue. It appears you need an 8266B king bolt set (as Moog calls it). It fits 37-56 Oldsmobile, all models.

You may even be able to find something online.

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Saturday 1st of August 2015 09:05:04 AM

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Could that number be 8266B ?

Looking on ebay and finding 8266B ... but not 8226B ...

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These are available on ebay at the moment ...

www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-KING-BOLT-SET-1937-56-OLDS-PONTIAC-CADILLAC-LASALLE-SPINDLE-8266B-I994-6-7-/301629198203

www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-KING-BOLT-SET-1937-55-OLDS-PONTIAC-CADILLAC-PINS-SPINDLE-K-90-I992-/291514612655

www.ebay.com/itm/171610064033%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Now this last part looks to be American made ... at least the bearing case is stamped OHIO ... what are your thoughts on this one? Which one would you get? Assuming I can't find anything with my local suppliers.

www.ebay.com/itm/141729768445%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

thanks for your input.

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39 years as a partsman and I'm still making mistakes on part numbers! Time to retire...

Yes, 8266B is the correct one. I edited my post so nobody gets confused with the wrong number there.

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If it is not urgent, I would hold out for Moog if at all possible.

One guy you could try is Norm Dumontier at Mid Canada Suspension in Winnipeg. Great guy, and he has a warehouse FULL of old stuff like this. I don't have his number but I'm sure a google search will get you his contact info. He's semi retired but I hear he still works with this stuff.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1937-1956-NOS-MOOG-KING-PIN-BOLT-SET-PT-K90-8266B-OLDS-PONTIAC-CADILLAC-LASALLE-/171610064033

This looks to be exactly what you need, Moog and all.

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