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Tired 283 tech question...


Have 64 Laurentian 4dr  (driver,sort of)...

Bought it from Honest Dave....as a running driving  parts car about 5 years ago....but can't bring myself to execute it...

 283 2bbl. typical ps and pb....I'm thinking 85k on the clock...

Engine runs quite well...no lifter noise....but pushes a slight blue cloud (constant)....once it warms up...

Doesn't look like it's ever been apart...all stock

I'm thinking the valve stem seals have fallen off?

Need to do a compression test....little or NO blow-by...as I recall...



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Those valve stem seals are likely rock hard, the ones that haven't fallen off like you say!

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im down for those stem seals also.....the newer mushroom ones are way better

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timbuk wrote:

im down for those stem seals also.....the newer mushroom ones are way better





You're from BC, you would always think mushrooms are the answer.

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Carl Stevenson wrote:
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im down for those stem seals also.....the newer mushroom ones are way better



 



You're from BC, you would always think mushrooms are the answer.


 or umbrella type.......which would also work for BC



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LOL, good point!

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SO.....do they smoke the mushrooms.....or shoot them?....

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MoboMac wrote:

SO.....do they smoke the mushrooms.....or shoot them?....


I think Tim likes his afternoon tea ... 



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"What ever you shoot, snort, smoke or rub in your belly, it's your $h*t." George Carlin

I always understood that bad valve guides (or stem seals) would produce blue smoke on start up and when under compression (using the engine to slow the car down = high manifold vacuum). If the car is puffing the blues all the time, I would suspect rings.

Although, I agree, those valve stem seals are most likely as hard and brittle as Bakelite, and most are probably lying on top of the heads or washed down into the oil pan, so changing them should help regardless.




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I think a good dose of Seafoam might be in order FIRST.....




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MoboMac wrote:

I think a good dose of Seafoam might be in order FIRST.....



 maybe see a doctor



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timbuk wrote:
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I think a good dose of Seafoam might be in order FIRST.....



 maybe see a doctor


 personally....I prefer INHALANTS....nothing like the fresh smell of Plasticoat...or SEM...from a rattle can...



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66 Beau wrote:

"What ever you shoot, snort, smoke or rub in your belly, it's your $h*t." George Carlin

I always understood that bad valve guides (or stem seals) would produce blue smoke on start up and when under compression (using the engine to slow the car down = high manifold vacuum). If the car is puffing the blues all the time, I would suspect rings.

Although, I agree, those valve stem seals are most likely as hard and brittle as Bakelite, and most are probably lying on top of the heads or washed down into the oil pan, so changing them should help regardless.



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MoboMac wrote:

SO.....do they smoke the mushrooms.....or shoot them?....


 Well.....we tried smoken them.Lit a big fire(horseshoe shapped) hoping the smoke would make them  all move to one corner like cattle, but they didn't budge! Not even an inch.Just stayed still and burnt all up! Went out and got our guns,waited till dusk when everything was calm then "BANG" Took their tops clean off. Problem was by the time we got down to'em to take a look,wasn't much left of'em, missing their tops and all. Any other suggestions?



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SO.....do they smoke the mushrooms.....or shoot them?....


 Well.....we tried smoken them.Lit a big fire(horseshoe shapped) hoping the smoke would make them  all move to one corner like cattle, but they didn't budge! Not even an inch.Just stayed still and burnt all up! Went out and got our guns,waited till dusk when everything was calm then "BANG" Took their tops clean off. Problem was by the time we got down to'em to take a look,wasn't much left of'em, missing their tops and all. Any other suggestions?


 and then....everybody lived happily ever after.....except for the married guys...who just pretended...



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This thread barely even got derailed.

Mobo, did you get your question answered at least before the hippies took over?

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

This thread barely even got derailed.

Mobo, did you get your question answered at least before the hippies took over?


 If the Seafoam doesn't help......I'm just going to drive it......If anybody says anything about the smoke.....I'll just tell them it's a Lawnboy...biggrin



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MoboMac wrote:

 and then....everybody lived happily ever after.....except for the married guys...who just pretended...


 For some reason this reminded me of an old saying a farmer used to say all the time when I was a teenager working for him.

"... meanwhile back at the ranch everybody was feeling Mary. When Mary got up, they jumped for Joy"blankstare

Now this thread is derailed.



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MoboMac wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:

This thread barely even got derailed.

Mobo, did you get your question answered at least before the hippies took over?


 If the Seafoam doesn't help......I'm just going to drive it......If anybody says anything about the smoke.....I'll just tell them it's a Lawnboy...biggrin


 My old 59 283 was an El Camino, it had a 55L tank and burned a liter of oil to a tank of gas- about 50:1. I told everybody it was a 2 stroke.

I also had to clean the chunks off several spark plugs every 1000KM's, and found that synthetic oil did not burn as cleanly as regular oil. The 59 could lay out a cloud the size of the car in the right circumstances. My vote is the valve seals and the rings, just check compression.

 



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Carl Stevenson wrote:
timbuk wrote:

im down for those stem seals also.....the newer mushroom ones are way better



 



You're from BC, you would always think mushrooms are the answer.


 hmmm wonder who derailed this one.....just sayin.....



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Hawkeye.

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DonSSDD wrote:
MoboMac wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:

This thread barely even got derailed.

Mobo, did you get your question answered at least before the hippies took over?


 If the Seafoam doesn't help......I'm just going to drive it......If anybody says anything about the smoke.....I'll just tell them it's a Lawnboy...biggrin


 My old 59 283 was an El Camino, it had a 55L tank and burned a liter of oil to a tank of gas- about 50:1. I told everybody it was a 2 stroke.

I also had to clean the chunks off several spark plugs every 1000KM's, and found that synthetic oil did not burn as cleanly as regular oil. The 59 could lay out a cloud the size of the car in the right circumstances. My vote is the valve seals and the rings, just check compression.

 


 another thing NOT to like.... about plastic oil....



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Ran this one today.... briefly....had to move it....and think I'm going to do a compression test........if the results are in spec.....for an older engine.....I'm going to throw some new plugs at it.........AND a new PVC valve....OR...clean.... and flush the old one out...

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You guys are all.......................................................................... NUTTY, CRAZY, GOOFY. I meant regular C.P. guys.



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