Enjoy 5% OFF at VEVOR Canada! and Support Canadian Poncho at the Same Time!
Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Canadian Poncho Homepage -> Canadian Poncho -> 65-70 Full Size Interior Tech Forum -> 65-66 Dash Deluxe/Base pad question.
Post Info TOPIC: 65-66 Dash Deluxe/Base pad question.
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
65-66 Dash Deluxe/Base pad question.
Permalink  

On a 65/66, between the full deluxe pad (reaches the base of the windshield) and the base (reaches just to the speaker grille), what if any differences are there in mounting?

Will the full pad simply fit over the metal portion of the base dash? Or is that portion missing from the deluxe dash?

Any thoughts?

 



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
norontcan


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 6991
Date:
Permalink  

Here's 2 pics I snapped of the dash pad on my original 65 CS. Only a partial pad in that it doesn't go all the way to the windshield.

dash pad thru windshield.jpg

dash.jpg

Expecting a 65 assembly manual to show up in the next few days, perhaps there will be more info in it.



Attachments
__________________
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

Thanks Ted,

Curious,  what is the gauge in the right binnacle? 



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
66 Grande guy


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4895
Date:
Permalink  

Being as I'm a guy with a few 66's and my brother has a 65 you'd think I'd know this but I will have take a  look tomorrow to see if I can see any difference.  Also, it just occurred to methat I have a parts book form that era so maybe I'll check on that tonight to see if they were the same part number.

 



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
norontcan


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 6991
Date:
Permalink  

cdnpont wrote:

Thanks Ted,

Curious,  what is the gauge in the right binnacle? 

 The Custom Sport, which comes with a console, has the clock moved down to the console. The far right pod is then filled with a manifold vacuum guage.



__________________
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Yes, Custom Sport only and Canadian cars only. The US models never had a vacuum gauge in the dash in 65.

And by the way Mark, I'm not sure about 65 but on 66 the only dash pad I've ever seen that was padded all the way to the windshield base is on the A/C cars.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

Looks like the deluxe full width pad is also the actual entire upper dash pan. I don't think it's an overlay.

I'm now thinking that to use the deluxe, the metal top on the base model would have to be removed? But that smaller top is part of the windshield base.

Hmm.

46259174751_44a7a239a9_b.jpg



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

You should be able to unbolt that pad from that assembly you are showing. The bolt heads are visible in that picture.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

So the pad comes off that base? I need a picture of a dash without a pad to come clear on this Carl. I don't get it.



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
63gpman


Addicted!

Status: Offline
Posts: 213
Date:
Permalink  

The pads are somewhat interchangeable. AC pads require a little work as they use a different vent and may be other issues with where the map light is located on the dash chrome bezel, but don't recall. In the US , the Catalina got the half pad and the Bonneville/Grand Prix got the full pad. You will also see that 65 pads are squared off on the edge where as 66 is rounded. 

From top to bottom. 

1. 66 AC pad

2. 66 non-AC full pad from Bonneville

3. 65 AC pad

4. 65 non-AC half pad from a Catalina

5. 66 AC pad. 

 

IMG_1138.jpg



Attachments
__________________

63 Grand Prix -needs restoration, 65 Catalina Ventura 4 speed - resto almost completed, 66 Catalina Convertible - at body shop
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Brad, on non a/c 66 Canadian Pontiacs, I've only ever seen the one second from the bottom in your picture, the maroon one.

I don't think we ever had a full pad except on the ultra rare a/c cars.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

I still don't get the half pad with half metal. My 66's metal portion is a permanent part of the dash and windshield base structure.

Were all USA big 65/66 cars all open on top of the dash?



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

cdnpont wrote:

I still don't get the half pad with half metal. My 66's metal portion is a permanent part of the dash and windshield base structure.

Were all USA big 65/66 cars all open on top of the dash?




I assume you mean your 67?

And yes, the whole metal top piece comes off on the 66, and likely the 65, Canadian or US models.

I will check tonight when I have a minute. I know I posted some pics of the dash with the top removed when I did my optional (US) gauge cluster swap into the black 66 Grande Parisienne that Tom bought.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Mark, if you scroll a bit over 1/2 way through this thread there's a few shots (not great angles though) that show the dash pad removed when I worked on that 66.

https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t47292841/standard-65-66-cluster-to-rally-gauge-cluster/

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
66 Grande guy


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4895
Date:
Permalink  

I'm glad you guys are on this as I never could find anything on 65 or 66 pads in my parts book.

 



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Group 14.655 Bezel Assembly, Instrument Panel Trim Plate is where to find it Ken. (Yeah, I know, who would have thought to find it there......)

65 and 66 are not the same numbers it appears.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

63gpman wrote:

may be other issues with where the map light is located on the dash chrome bezel, but don't recall.



Brad, I should mention, we (Canada) never got that map light that shines down from the dash. We have no provision for it on our cars.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
66 Grande guy


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 4895
Date:
Permalink  

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Group 14.655 Bezel Assembly, Instrument Panel Trim Plate is where to find it Ken. (Yeah, I know, who would have thought to find it there......)

65 and 66 are not the same numbers it appears.

 I had tried every version of a parts name that had the word "pad" in it.  Too obvious I guess.



__________________

ken from northern Alberta

38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS 

1968 Citroen Fourgonnette (Yeah Carl!)
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Me too. I tried "cover" as well before I finally found it.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Mark, if you scroll a bit over 1/2 way through this thread there's a few shots (not great angles though) that show the dash pad removed when I worked on that 66.

https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t47292841/standard-65-66-cluster-to-rally-gauge-cluster/

 Those shots are no longer available for some reason (at least on my pc) Carl.

But at the risk of sounding like a broken record here, I cannot see how this works. My dash metal top is a permanent welded in component. It cannot be unbolted. So it can only accept the half pad right? The full can't just sit on top of that pan can it?



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

It is for sure welded in? On the 66 it looks that way but it is removable.

So you don't have any screws on the underside of the lip like 66 has? Here's a shot showing 2 of the 6 that hold my dash top in place.

66dash.jpg

Attachments
__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

Mark, I was just thinking about it some more. I think your dash top has to come off. Do you remember seeing the guy selling the 65 complete dash face on Kijiji? I'm sure it looked just like the 66 piece with the speedo/gauges/controls etc. (Except of course the gauges are round)

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
Nov 18 to Dec 2 Black Friday UP TO 50% OFF Plus Huge Coupons
cdnpont


Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Status: Offline
Posts: 10617
Date:
Permalink  

I'm going to remove the pad from mine tomorrow just to see Carl. 

 



__________________
 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 69 Parisienne Convertible.
 
4SPEED427


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 50209
Date:
Permalink  

I wish 65wagon would see this thread. He has played around with 65's for years, and I bet he knows the answer to this in a heartbeat. I'm sure he can solve this mystery.

I'm super curious now to see if 65 is different in that way vs 66.

__________________

1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles 

1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
Pontiacanada


A Poncho Legend!

Status: Offline
Posts: 20744
Date:
Permalink  

'64 B70 (padded dash) is two pieces.



__________________

Prince Edward Island

'64 Parisienne CS "barn find" - last on the road in '86 ... Owner Protection Plan booklet, original paint, original near-mint aqua interior, original aqua GM floor mats, original 283, factory posi, and original rust.

1 2  >  Last»  | Page of 2  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.
Canadian Poncho Homepage -> Canadian Poncho -> 65-70 Full Size Interior Tech Forum -> 65-66 Dash Deluxe/Base pad question.
Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us
.
Support Canadian Poncho!
Select Amount:
<
.
.
.