Another member checked it out. Good solid car. Engine seized, brakes seized, exhaust rotted off, gas tank full of bad fuel but other than that a good car. Lots of unanswered questions like why was it parked in 1972 (less than 1000 miles from the last oil change)? Also there's an issue getting an ownership that needs to be resolved. The car doesn't show up on any MTO data bank likely because it wasn't plated in 1973 when the new system took over. The original plate now comes up as a snowmobile plate lol. I'd be more keen if I were closer.
I think that's the right move. By the time you pay shipping and get it on the road, you'd likely be in over your head on that one by the sound of it. There's a lot of work to get that one on the road.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
I was tied up at the office so 65Camino went over to eyeball the car. I was in communication with him while he was on site. I could hear the excitement in his voice as he walked around the car and described what seems like the impossible for a car that has been sitting in a garage basically 10 minutes from Yonge and Bloor in Toronto since 1972. No rust on floors no rust on frame no rust around wheel wells, interior very very good, a real Time Capsule was how it was described to me.
Its not my kind of car but for $2000 I'd have taken a flyer on it, no ownership, no key yes not insurmountable but might as well be if you are in PEI like Todd. 65Camino tried to pump up tires and only one held air. Now for those of you who have never been in the big City this area is a particularly old area with rear lanes and old frame garages opening on a laneway that is wide enough for one car, maybe two could pass but that would be the slow maneuver. Extricating this is not going to be fun nor easy. and as you can see from photos the garage is tight. As good as it is its a huge project both from a paperwork and sale point of view and getting it out to PEI. I don't think you could even get a tow truck backed in there to hook it so winch or arm-strong power is how this baby is coming out. Good luck to the high roller who had the winning bid, he's just started on his visits to the bank.
Yes, and once you get it out of there, shipping as a non-runner isn't the easy thing. I helped ship out a non-runner before for work and will not do it again, being up on a hydraulic platform at the top level literally pushing the thing into the enclosed trailer. One stumble and I would have been in a world of hurt - not to mention that it tried to roll back on me getting it over a lip...
Although this one certainly sounds intriguing, there will be more cars coming along.... ones that run and drive especially. Not every car is suited to every buyer... I know that from personal experience.
Body and paint work will always be far more expensive than mechanical work in general. If this 60 only needs the required mechanical work, then i would take that over a rust bucket that needs no mechanical work........ any day of the year. Plus i find that doing mechanical work is generally fun, body work on the other hand........ fogetaboutit.
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1957 Pontiac Pathfinder Deluxe sedan restored 261 six
1974 Chevrolet Caprice Estate wagon low mileage original 400 V-8
Body and paint work will always be far more expensive than mechanical work in general. If this 60 only needs the required mechanical work, then i would take that over a rust bucket that needs no mechanical work........ any day of the year. Plus i find that doing mechanical work is generally fun, body work on the other hand........ fogetaboutit.
Very true. It's just that in this case you may have to suck it up that the car might end up costing more than it's worth, or more than buying one all ready to go.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
These garage find cars possess a strange allure to people in the car culture, reminds me of the show Storage Wars, most of the time they are a fun waste of time and a bust.
Body and paint work will always be far more expensive than mechanical work in general. If this 60 only needs the required mechanical work, then i would take that over a rust bucket that needs no mechanical work........ any day of the year. Plus i find that doing mechanical work is generally fun, body work on the other hand........ fogetaboutit.
Very true. It's just that in this case you may have to suck it up that the car might end up costing more than it's worth, or more than buying one all ready to go.
That's true with any old car, though, as the money to restore or whatever will always end up costing more than it's worth, even if you do the work yourself, with a few rare cases like the high-end stuff.
Body and paint work will always be far more expensive than mechanical work in general. If this 60 only needs the required mechanical work, then i would take that over a rust bucket that needs no mechanical work........ any day of the year. Plus i find that doing mechanical work is generally fun, body work on the other hand........ fogetaboutit.
That's a true statement, George, but from the photos it's not even clear that the paint is in good shape, as I see some rust stains on the hood and front bumper in the front end shot. It'll be hard to know exactly what you have until it is removed from the garage and cleaned up.
In case this ad disappears and somebody wants to see what all the discussion was about, here are the ad details/photos for this car:
1960 V6 Pontiac Pariesienne Hardtop
$4,000.00
Description
6 cylinder PS and PB 4 door hardtop, body and interior in great condition, flooring, frame and undercarriage all appear to be sound with minimal to no rust or corosion. Stored in garage covered in dust and not driven or started in decades, flat tires from sitting. Must sell as part of estate, litteraly driven by a little old lady. All serious offers considered.
So given its condition and location along with extrication headaches is there still a list of suitors? Early on Todd seem to indicate that the sellers phone was ringing. Does the seller know of and acknowledge the contortions a buyer is going to have to go through? Is this reflected in his asking price?
Is there room in the garage to jack it up and throw a set of inflate tires on it and drag it out of it's tomb?
Can it be extracted and loaded with time, equipment and patience?
Funny the ad still being up if he has a $4500 offer. He has until the 15th of January to get the car out. From what I understand there's little to no room on the passenger side to get tires on and off. There is some surface rust on the car. I'm sure it'd clean up nicely though. Worth it if a guy had the proper truck/winch/trailer to get it instead of hiring someone.
Now 65camino knows where it is I might go over with him again and scope it out .If the 15th is a deadline then maybe things will play out to our collective liking.
I think 4 pieces x 2 feet wide cut from a sheet of 5/8 plywood, some wheel skates and 2 floor jacks could get her out easy. Flats or not.
If I really wanted any car, not much would stop me from getting it out.
That's my thinking also.
I can get pretty creative in thinking up ways around perceived problems.
Also echo your above comment about changing mechanical parts vs bodywork. If mechanical parts are changed it's deemed as upkeep. If body parts are changed it's change from original.
Body and paint work will always be far more expensive than mechanical work in general. If this 60 only needs the required mechanical work, then i would take that over a rust bucket that needs no mechanical work........ any day of the year. Plus i find that doing mechanical work is generally fun, body work on the other hand........ fogetaboutit.
Very true. It's just that in this case you may have to suck it up that the car might end up costing more than it's worth, or more than buying one all ready to go.
That's true with any old car, though, as the money to restore or whatever will always end up costing more than it's worth, even if you do the work yourself, with a few rare cases like the high-end stuff.
Yes that is all a given but you do it for the love of building your own car and not just buying someone else's car. It will always make more economical sense to buy a car that is already done by someone else but it will always be the car that someone else built. I have to leave my mark on every car that i have ever owned, doing it any other way i might as well take up another hobby. Cheers.
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1957 Pontiac Pathfinder Deluxe sedan restored 261 six
1974 Chevrolet Caprice Estate wagon low mileage original 400 V-8
Yes, and that's my point. This hobby is a labour of love. It's not likely that you will ever make money on doing up any old car, but that's not why we are into it. Do what makes you happy, not what makes you money.
When you are in that labor of love mode, you're blind to the cost. And it's just as well. But in the end, the result is 100% more satisfying than just going out to buy it. The rich will never know the pleasure of it the fools. lol.
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
When you are in that labor of love mode, you're blind to the cost. And it's just as well. But in the end, the result is 100% more satisfying than just going out to buy it. The rich will never know the pleasure of it the fools. lol.
Amen!
Hey, I'm in Toronto and if you need a body to help push it out, and it sounds like it will require some grunt, I should be able to lend a hand. Somebody should bring a winch or come-along since flat tires are tough to roll. If the brakes are seized then all manual efforts are futile. January huh? Sounds like fun. I love the cold. ...Not!
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67 Chevelle Malibu Sport Coupe, Oshawa-built 250 PG never disturbed.
In garage, 296 cid inline six & TH350...
Cam, Toronto.
I don't judge a man by how far he's fallen, but by how far back he bounces - Patton
As long as you can get around the car you should be able to sneak a small floor jack or even one of those expandable scissor jacks from an OEM under it and slip "roller skates" under the tires to push it out. Might be a job if there's a raised lip at the garage entrance but there are ways around it.
Honestly, if this were in my neighbourhood I'd be trying to get it home, and figure out how to do the rest without a shop of my own, after the fact. I can't help but be drawn to original survivor cars, especially green ones!
I think 4 pieces x 2 feet wide cut from a sheet of 5/8 plywood, some wheel skates and 2 floor jacks could get her out easy. Flats or not.
If I really wanted any car, not much would stop me from getting it out.
That's my thinking also.
I can get pretty creative in thinking up ways around perceived problems.
I'm in the same camp.
Wish I still lived in TO ... I'd love to help, just for the challenge.
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'64 Parisienne CS "barn find" - last on the road in '86 ... Owner Protection Plan booklet, original paint, original near-mint aqua interior, original aqua GM floor mats, original 283, factory posi, and original rust.
I'd not be surprised if there is not already a bunch of people clamoring to buy this one. Probably will bid up even higher, although we may never see that end result.
But I'm sure Ray could get in there and wield his strong local influence...
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
