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Sheer Poetry in Motion!


I was just idly looking at airtanker videos sort of wanting it to be fire season in a weird sort of way) when I ran across this slow mo video of a few drops by an Electra airtanker and the birddog plane in what appears to be BC.  Having directed  a few thousand air drops since 1992 they never fail to fill me with a sort of joy and this video really makes it clear why. Its a sort of aerial ballet I guess, not that I'm a ballerina or anything  like that. 

Just so you know the birddog team (pilot and AAO) makes a plan, does inspection runs to make sure its safe, calls the type of drop and then formats on the tanker to assess the drop, and repeat as necessary in the meantime controlling airspace and talking to the fire guys on the ground or back at HQ. Can be busy.

The music really adds to the majestic feeling.

Good precise drops too by Airspray tanker 489, one I have worked with over the years.

Cant hardly wait now!

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Looks like the north end of Okanagan lake. Always love watching them work!

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Yes, they are becoming even a bigger part of our lives each year. Almost looks like by Bear Creek on Westside Road. Watched the action in 2003 when we had our big fire loosing 240 homes. They even brought in the Mars Bomber in from the Island. Looks like it just gets busier for them each year now.

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Yeah it is true. We don't always get them. The combination of the pine beetle in BC that has left huge areas covered with dead slash and hot,dry weather has  made their fire seasons really nasty. In Alberta it has been more or less normal except for the spring when the combination of careless bozos on quads and winter dried forest fuels make for some really fast moving fires. Add to that a municipality like Fort Mac that didn't think they needed to do anything to fireproof its fringes and you have Fort Mac happening.  Luckily most municipalities have now learned that allowing people to live next to, or in the bush means that those areas or structures have to be fire proofed to the extent possible.

That being said when it is hot, dry and windy enough for long enough, everything is fuel. 

I don't think it will slack off. 



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Amazing aircraft to watch..and the skill!! Had the Mars fly over my boat in Saanich Inlet about 100' above me....just massive!! Ken: how do they slow down to dip,while adding 20 tons of water without getting sucked in. Must be talented on the throttle!

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Are they picking up water on the fly and is that red a chemical that is added to the water?
How many pickup/drops can they do in a day.

Talented, you bet..

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Ken, am I right that you are in the birddog plane? I don't mean the one in the videos, but that is your role?

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Yeah that's me in the copilots seat of a typical birddog. What I do is the directing of the drops, airspace control and comms, etc while the pilot flies the plane and formates on the tankers and helps me with comms when it gets too busy( if hes not too busy)

 As for the skimming I have ridden in a CL215 while the guys were on a practice and it is busy in there. Basically they do a normal approach to a lake once they assess if it is skimmable, get it down on the step (that is skimming on the floats) and then they will drop the two water probes at the same time as upping the power as the scooping  creates a tremendous drag. There are two probes each smaller than a typical hood scoop on a car by a lot (the opening of each is about 4 inches by 6 inches) The forward motion of the airplane at about 90 knots will force the water in to the two tanks until both are filled to max of 600 to 700 gallons each in about 20/30 seconds of scooping. (They'll take less if there is full fuel on board early in the mission)  

Then they up probes, hit takeoff power and hit the sky again. While o the way back to the fire they may at my request inject a measured amount of fire smotherng foam concentrate to make the water more effective. One they release the load it mixes in the turbulent water as it descend to the ground.  With the four airplane CL 215 group in Alberta and an optimum lake distance about 3 miles they on average can put a load a fire about every 2 minutes. Then its back to the lake to do it all over again until we cease action or low on fuel.  Further lakes mean less water delivered in a given time.  These 215T's can haul the long term retardent red stuff from a tanker base but they are inefficient compare to the Electra or Convair 580 so we usually don't do that.

The pilots can do 30-40 take offs and landing skims in that periods so they are working their butts off.

The single pilot Firebosses are even tougher work as there is only the one guy in the cockpit and we can work off smaller lakes than the 215 so we can be even closer to a fire.

Its not uncommon to do 8 hours day when there is a fire bust.

Lots of variables on a a given fire from topography to wind to fire behavior to ground resources available to air resources available to lake distance, to incoming weather other priorities etc. In Alberta we also use 5 different tanker types from the CL215T's to the Electra (as in the video) to the convair 580 to the Firebosses to the Airtractor 802's plus a lot of bucketing helicoptors so there is a lot of variety there too. Any of those can show up on any given fire.



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Are there some planes that park on the lake, let the tank fill, then take off? It seems to me I've seen something like that on tv.

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Not that I've ever seen. Usually if they are sitting on the lake they are broken or they are the MARs which is a pure flying boat and is not amphibious.

Carring a loading pump on a skimmer is kind of pointless and would take away from some of the usable load



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Wednesday 20th of February 2019 01:28:50 AM

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Ken are they using the GM Allison engines on the Electra......same as the Convair 580?

If I remember they were 3750 hp each. In the late 60's I knew a US pilot (Bill Barber) flying for North Central Airlines

who had flown with the US Air Acrobatics team and he said an empty 580 could out climb a T33 jet trainer.

Not sure if this is true but it sure sounded good way back 50 years ago when I was 23, always loved the Convair 580,

the hot rod of the sky.

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Nice pics!

I believe they both run Allisons but if you want to see a real hot rod, an empty Electra with low fuel going back to base will climb like a homesick angel!  Remember all the interior stuff has been stripped out to allow more water to be hauled so when it is light it is really light.

The Convair 580 I worked with this last summer (which I also really love) was tanker number 453  and did in fact turn 65 years old last year.  I must say its wings aren't hardly sagging at all!

The Rockwell Turbo Commander birddog I usually fly in is a real performer too.  On the way back from a fire a couple of years ago at about 3000 feet, down on fuel, going back to base, my pilot asked if I minded pulling some gs as he wanted to get to 10,500 feet in a hurry so I said no. We built up some speed and put max climb power and were up there in about literally one minute at about 6500 per minute climb. That was fun especially rounding out at the top! 

The Cessna Caravn we use for some of the slower groups like the Firebosses is kind of a slug by comparison but at least you can go in the back for a quick pee in the middle of a mission. That plane has about an 6-7 hour endurance with is about 3 more than my bladder.

I have to admit though that I still miss the sound of the big Pratt and Whitney radials.



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Thursday 21st of February 2019 12:13:48 AM

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