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Post Info TOPIC: Unique canadian mopar - 69 Chrysler Newport with a 4 speed and 6 pack carb setup


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Unique canadian mopar - 69 Chrysler Newport with a 4 speed and 6 pack carb setup


https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/chrysler/newport/2246307.html

 

posted on Hemmings car for sale site this weekend

 

Its out of Victoria BC.

 

Personally I would wonder if he might have been better buying a 1970 Chrysler 300 Hurst and doing the 4 speed conversion on that if that was his dream

 

The car might have had some personal family history

I would wonder where he would have sourced the clutch petal set up- theoretically it would be available per the sales brochure but in really very rarely ordered.



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Clutch pedals for any '69-'71 C-body 3-sp column shift configuration would work. You would most likely find it on a base Fury I.

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I thought to run Collector plates in BC your car had to be bone stock.

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We have modified  collector status plates as well.



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It just doesn't have the appeal of any other full sized car available in 69. Buick Wildcat, Olds Delta 88, Pontiac Parisienne or Bonneville, Impala SS, Ford Galaxie 500. All of those had style. This car is just bloated. The 300H for 70 was better.

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Love it. Loads of HP, a standard, big and unique! (And a trunk large enough to handle that bloated spare!)

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I think it is pretty cool! The non-stock colour is a bit "electric" as far as blue hues go. Back in the 70's at Flamboro Downs (horse racing, not the Flamboro Speedway dirt oval track) they used a very clean black 1969 Newport to pace (or groom) around the track. It had dual exhausts and that unmistakable 383 / 440 growl. I loved listening to it.

The last year for a 4-speed manual in a big Chrysler was 1967, although they are as common as documented legitimate Bigfoot sightings. Plymouth offered a big, neat Sport Fury GT with an option 440 six-pack in 1970.

Looking at my '69 Chrysler brochure it shows redline tires being offered, plus they also offered those 5-slot 14" "recall" wheels for drum brake cars (which the vast majority came with).

69 recall wheels.jpg

 



-- Edited by CdnGMfan on Sunday 24th of March 2019 05:52:57 PM

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I always liked the left side ignition on those 69 Mopars!!

Made for fast a getaway, start with left hand while pulling into gear with right.

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I don't see 600 hp with that 6 pack set-up. Nowhere near enough carb for 500 cubes. I also don't see the 833 4 speed holding up to that power level...but I doubt it ever gets driven in anger anyways. As for "C" bodies that I think are better, I'd start with the 69 Fury over that Newport...also I think the Wildcat and the delta 88's in 69 were even uglier than this car. The Galaxy was pretty bloated in 69 too.

I really don't see a $60K car there, and I like Mopars...a lot.



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GLHS60 wrote:

I always liked the left side ignition on those 69 Mopars!!

Made for fast a getaway, start with left hand while pulling into gear with right.

Thanks
Randy


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I actually like it quite a bit!

Styling is a matter of personal preference, and I've always thought the 1969 Buicks and Oldses to be somewhat stodgy.  The Pontiacs and Chevys were better, but IMHO still not as nice as the earlier '67-'68 models, with their sleeker fastback rooflines.  The Chryslers were kind of cool with their loop bumpers and small coupe rooflines with a hood and trunk that you could probably land a helicopter on.  IMHO, since they already went the hot rod route, I'd want to improve the looks with the 300 hidden headlight grille and full width taillights.  If we are going for favourite C-bodies, then the '70 Sport Fury looks a little meaner still to me.  I never cared much for the fibreglass add-ons that the 300H had, but again, that's a matter of personal taste.

Regarding the six pack carbs providing enough cfm for a 500 cube engine, I think they would be more than adequate.  I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that it's a little tricky to calculate flow on a multi carb system like these.  The six pack was factory rated at something like 1030 cfm, but I've heard the actual flow would be in the 950 - 990 range.  Even if you are a little generous on the carb calculation (6000 rpm, 90% volumetric efficiency), even then 800 cfm should be adequate for a 500 cu in engine.

But we all know that people exaggerate on horsepower ratings.  First of all the six pack has to be set up properly, then all the stuff that's bolted to it has to work to not restrict flow through and out of the engine.  I'd want to see some actual numbers on a chassis dyno to see what it is putting out.  I've never heard that the 833 is all that fragile, but I'll stop there.  I agree that most of these built cars are done to look and sound fast, and maybe they are, but most 50-70 year old guys driving them usually don't put much of a pounding on them other than the occasional burnout to impress the guys while leaving cruise night.  At best the car would probably be driven at about 60-70% of its capability for most owners.

Yeah, $60K seems like a stretch unless you found a (rich) buyer who would want to do a car just like this.  I would guess that he would be lucky to get $30K out of it.  In my mind, this car would qualify as a labour of love, not a profit generator...

But, yes, I like it!  smile



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There's enough cfm but the manifold design doesn't lend itself to great power compared to a single 4 barrel. I was a little harsh in my previous reply, and that is mostly due to seeing so much kijiji BS.

I will never post up a hp number unless I have a dyno sheet to back it up. My 'dis' of the 833 would be based on if that engine was actually making 600 hp. There were not designed to put up with 600+ lb/ft of torque. Could a 50-70 year old guy make it live...sure thing. I wouldn't put slicks on it and take it to a prepped track though.

I guess it's all context.

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Somebody cut up a 40000 mile original car and put in a different engine and transmission...

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I had to take a double take when i saw those single leaf rear springs. A car that heavy with single leafs.



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

Somebody cut up a 40000 mile original car and put in a different engine and transmission...


 I know right? no



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Crazy eh? What do you do with a guy like that?

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57 Pathfinder wrote:

There's enough cfm but the manifold design doesn't lend itself to great power compared to a single 4 barrel. I was a little harsh in my previous reply, and that is mostly due to seeing so much kijiji BS.

I will never post up a hp number unless I have a dyno sheet to back it up. My 'dis' of the 833 would be based on if that engine was actually making 600 hp. There were not designed to put up with 600+ lb/ft of torque. Could a 50-70 year old guy make it live...sure thing. I wouldn't put slicks on it and take it to a prepped track though.

I guess it's all context.


No worries, I was just throwing in my 2˘, just my opinion.

The 50-70 year old guy comment was just mostly what I observe in the hobby, lots of guys build big motors but at our age we don't go roasting them down main street and drifting through the turns anymore, mainly because we don't want to kill someone or even get thrown in jail.  My point is, even some of the hard core drag racers I've known are somewhat timid on the street (some), and most of these cars are built as showboats, not racers, otherwise you'd go for the lightest body with the biggest engine, or so I'd think.

Like I said, just my 2˘, something I offer up (maybe too much) freely... y'know, keyboard quarterback and all that.  wink



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

Somebody cut up a 40000 mile original car and put in a different engine and transmission...


 Yeah, but it's only an old Chrysler.  It's not like somebody took a super cherry super rare Canadian Pontiac and did that to it... biggrin



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Nobody would do that to a Pontiac. but if they did they wouldn't cut it up in a way that it couldn't be put back to original....

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Of course they wouldn't, but if they did it would be their business as they would be the owner of the car and spending their own time and money on it.

However if they choose to openly discuss it on the internet they would have to expect people to give their opinions... that's how it works!  smile



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Some people are foolish enough to post about taking out a 283 and putting in a 427 4-speed and so they suffer the wrath!

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Perhaps, but they are the ones who get to enjoy endless torque and rowing through the gears, thus making the wrath worthwhile!

Anybody enjoying such a benefit should have to endure some degree of wrath as penance... biggrin



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So it's kind of like no pain no gain? Nobody explained that to me before I did the conversion.

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Actually I was just searching around the web this morning for info on the 69 Dodge Polara CHP and came across this

 

Someone else has done a similar 4 speed conversion on a 69 Dodge Polara

 

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/1969-dodge-polara-hardtop-super-sized-cruiser/

 

 



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That guy is a member on moparts - the car was really well done, and he started with a tired, well-used car.

Needless to say, I like!!

I was in contact a few years ago with somebody who had converted a Fury 4-door hardtop to a 4-speed - I think it was either a '69 or a '71, can't remember for sure.  Definitely an oddball, 4-door hardtop with a pistol-grip shifter sticking up in front of the bench seat... I had pics of it somewhere but can't remember where I filed them...



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