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RE: new driving penalties in BC


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/trial-lawyers-icbc-constitutional-challenge-1.5079209

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/icbc-car-insurance-changes-1.5076098

ICBC's problems are not going to be solved by jacking up fines.  

 

 

 



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Pontiacanada wrote:
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66 Beau wrote:

Some of the numbers in your post are absurd (IMHO).  I can imagine someone surviving on minimum wage trying to cough up that much money.  I can see that same person losing their license, and their job, as a result.  


 I think they should HAMMER drivers breaking the law ... losing their $$$, licence, or job would be a great penalty.


 I don't know that I agree with that.  IMHO hammer them on infractions that are clear safety problems, but no so much on stupid infractions that don't affect safety.  I see some infractions as simple revenue generation for the government, and that focus should be on the infractions that cause accidents.

Furthermore, I see the root of the problem as insufficient training and education for drivers.  Each and every driver should have to pass an extensive classroom training course and then a practical driving course that includes skid training, etc.

Part of the course should involve accident studies, explaining cause and effect for each accident so that people understand how quickly and easily accidents can happen and how quickly and easily you can kill yourself or somebody else.

Thirdly, car companies need to be told to get away from all the distractive "infotainment" systems they are putting in cars now.  Just say no to touch screens - they are being used for everything from the radio to operating HVAC, and are very easy to miss your target when you are driving - you have to look away from the road to see which screen you are on, and have to make sure you hit the correct rectangle or you will have to go back and figure out which one you did hit and reverse it.  Too much distraction from actually driving.  

IMHO, people don't take driving seriously enough and need to realize that they aren't driving a big smart phone.

All said, we are still dumb humans and we will make poor judgements and screw up from time to time, it's a given.  But there are many ways we can do the driving thing better - but we are not headed in that direction...


 It is as simple as "you break the law, you pay the price" ... I don't care if it is just window tint (which some lawbreakers use to conceal illegal activity within their vehicle) or as simple as speeding 1 - 15 kms. over. I'm a firm believer in respecting the law ... hardcore believer.


 Fair enough, we can agree to disagree on this point.  But keep in mind that much of the work done by the legal profession is to determine where the offense falls between the spirit of the law and the letter of the law. 

If you think it's fair to pay a stiff fine for going 1-10 km/h over the speed limit, consider that the calibration of most speedometers falls within a range of 10%, so you would have to accept the penalty when you thought you were going 99 km/h (by your speedometer), but the police radar says you were going 105.  At 99 you were perfectly safe, but at 105 you are a danger to society and thus should have to pay?  Not to mention the differences in tire circumferences between manufacturers or even types of tires, error in speedometer reading between a new set of snow tires and a worn set (10 mm tread depth), etc. etc. 

What is the purpose of the law?  As far as I can discern, it is to reduce safety concerns created by excessive speed (vehicle momentum, handling issues, stopping distance, shorter reaction times needed, etc.) and difference in speed, which is why there is a penalty for driving too slowly as well.  Does 5 km/h create such a safety concern?

How about this scenario:  In your haste, you get halfway to your destination without your wallet, when you stop for a roadside check and you find that your wallet is on the countertop at home - that's worth $250 in penalties to you. Now, without that card in your pocket were you endangering the public?  Was there a safety concern?  Of course if a person is actually an unlicensed driver then that will be proven and the charge can be changed to a stiff penalty.  For that matter, the cops can actually look it up on their in-car computer and determine whether you are driving with a suspended license or not.

Don't get me wrong, I do agree with following the laws, and believe myself to be an honest, law-abiding citizen - when I drive, my intentions are to not break any laws whatsoever.  But I do think it's important to know whether laws are actually accomplishing what they were set out to do... i.e. the "spirit of the law" as 57 Pathfinder alludes to.  What are we trying to accomplish, and are we actually accomplishing it, and what unintended consequences have been created through the law?  All this needs to be taken into account, and is generally.  Laws are challenged all the time, which is why we have a Supreme Court, so we need to be educated and aware in our acceptance or our questioning of the laws drawn up by our government...  As you can see if you follow the US situation, the government is not always right, and doesn't always have the best interests of the public in mind.



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That was put perfectly.

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as rates increase just over 6 percent in bc today for less coverage/compensation and more carbon tax on fuel today april fools day it is

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