To me a Canadian Poncho is a Pontiac made with a Chevy frame and drivetrain and a unique to Canada nameplate like say Beaumont or Acadian. The 86 Parisienne being sold in the us as an identical car makes it not a Canadian Poncho. IMHO.
As far as I'm concerned, the US didn't have a Parisienne until 1983, and never had a Laurentian, so the '77 - '82 versions were definitely Canadian Pontiacs in my book.
Our 2009 Solstice GXP Coupe is one of 87 made for Canada but stand it side by side with the American models and the differences are only items required to meet Canadian specification such as daytime running lights, speedo in km etc. In every other aspect they are virtually identical. So, can a vehicle built for the Canadian market be considered a Canadian car? How far do you take the argument.
Our 66 Beaumont on the other hand is at the other end of the spectrum. Its a made in Canada car sold strictly in Canada, assembled with parts from various other models and some parts unique to the Beaumont brand. This is a Canadian car.
All North American car and truck manufacturers had American and Canadian versions of their model lineups. Some by specific brand or model name and some just by offering the same models under different badges in subsequent years. My first car was a 66 Valliant Custom 200, but when I search for a 66 Valliant on google it doesnt look at all like my car. Turns out I had a Dart if I was in the States??
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72 Nova SS, 66 Beaumont Sport Deluxe, 09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe
Our 2009 Solstice GXP Coupe is one of 87 made for Canada but stand it side by side with the American models and the differences are only items required to meet Canadian specification such as daytime running lights, speedo in km etc. In every other aspect they are virtually identical. So, can a vehicle built for the Canadian market be considered a Canadian car? How far do you take the argument.
Our 66 Beaumont on the other hand is at the other end of the spectrum. Its a made in Canada car sold strictly in Canada, assembled with parts from various other models and some parts unique to the Beaumont brand. This is a Canadian car.
All North American car and truck manufacturers had American and Canadian versions of their model lineups. Some by specific brand or model name and some just by offering the same models under different badges in subsequent years. My first car was a 66 Valliant Custom 200, but when I search for a 66 Valliant on google it doesnt look at all like my car. Turns out I had a Dart if I was in the States??
IMHO - same car as US but with Canadian specification dos not make it a Canada unique car. It is the same car altered to meet Transport Canada's requirements. In much the same way that a '78 Malibu with a metric speedometer doesn't make it special.
Classic case for 'yes'? Your Beaumont.
Early/mid sixties Valiants were similar to Acadian/Beaumont, in that Valiant was a stand-alone brand and not a model of Plymouth. Also there were major differences from the US, such as for 1963 the Canadian Valiant used a US Dart body with a US Valiant front clip installed. To me, unique branding and variances not available in the US qualifies it to be a unique Canadian car. Canadian Valiants changed year by year to become closer to their American cousins, especially after the 1965 Auto Pact... to the point that by 1967 there was little to no difference between US and Canadian Valiants.
I don't recall there being no Pontiac in the US for 2010. So were the cars made from Sept thru January 2010 just titled as 2009s? Whomever wrote the Wikipedia article thinks they were branded as 2010s... but maybe they were just for the Canadian market?
"On April 27, 2009, GM announced that Pontiac would be dropped and that all of its remaining models would be phased out by the end of 2010.[25] Though both production and franchise agreements ended in 2010, Pontiac remains a registered and active trademark of GM."
"The last Pontiac, a white 2010 model year G6 4 door sedan, was built at the Orion Township Assembly Line in January 2010."
As usual, nothing ever is as simple as it seems...
This is all my understanding of it; Officially there was no 2010 model year for Pontiac-USA; As a matter of fact, the few pre-production 2010 vin'ed Solstices were going to be crushed because of the lack of a 2010 model year - so even though there were a few early built 2010 model year Pontiacs which were sold stateside, officially there was no 2010 model year Pontiac in the USA - because of the agreement with the government of the United States. In Canada though, there was a full 2010 model year - which is in part why the Pontiac signs stayed around in Canada longer than in the United states.
-- Edited by unruhjonny on Thursday 19th of September 2019 02:11:50 PM
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If they are not Canadian Pontiacs, maybe they should be banned from Canadian PONCHO? Or is that what Carl meant with his banning post?
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63 Parisienne sport coupe (The Big GTO), black, maroon interior, 409 4 speed; former owner of a 59 El Camino, 63 Corvette SWC, 62 Chev Bel Air SC. 1963- Pontiac top selling car in Canada
Mahone Bay, NS Still not old enough to need an automatic
There is a 60 envoy for sale here with a small block Chevy in it, if this were a vauxhall, would it be a poncho?
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63 Parisienne sport coupe (The Big GTO), black, maroon interior, 409 4 speed; former owner of a 59 El Camino, 63 Corvette SWC, 62 Chev Bel Air SC. 1963- Pontiac top selling car in Canada
Mahone Bay, NS Still not old enough to need an automatic
LOL... that would be weird. You should not ban yourself, though, if you did I wouldn't know when I should be banned. It would be too confusing for this brain of mine (if you want to call it that....).
Canadian Pontiac definition: Sold new through the Pontiac franchise. Too broad? Perhaps any oddball Chevy-Pontiac hybrid comes to mind certainly, plus I always felt the 1982-86 Parisienne were included. The U.S. dealers pleaded for a full-sized Pontiac to sell so they added the Parisienne, which by this point had the resumed 1981 quarters, skirts & tail lights.
Acadians from within the Auto Pact, hell, Ste Thérèse for a time was exclusively producing U.S. spec cars for U.S. consumption. Trade balance?
Anyway, the Canadian Pontiac story is a long story.
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