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1969 Parisienne rear antenna location


After some discussion the body shop, I decided to go with a rear antenna.

It's "Now or Never"(Elvis)

My front was aftermarket and I can't seem to locate a stock one anywhere anyways.

Grabbed a 1969 Bonneville power rear off eBay. 

The 69 2+2 in Port Hope has one and I fell in love with it when I saw it.

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Should plug and play with the radio but I do understand the mounting bracket may need modifying.

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Grabbed this pic off the net, Owned by "Mark" in Ontario, and a pic of a US Cat,

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North has an excellent pic when his car was featured.

Can someone measure the hole location for the rear antenna ?

Would it be in the same spot as a non power rear ?

Thanks in advance !

 

 



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I can try to check tonight in the assembly manual. Maybe it has the spec.

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Sorry Randy, the assembly manual only has the location for the manual antenna, not the power unit.

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There'll be a rocker switch on the dash for Antenna Up & Down, really hasn't got anything to do with the radio.

Also, there's a conduit that goes under the rear seat to protect the wiring. They're tough to find in good shape, but I've sent out a couple that I'd found in the wreckers.

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The one in Port Hope operated with the simple turning on of the radio,


The owner was proud to demonstrate it for me.

Maybe that one was aftermarket with a relay built in.

That car had a power antenna but only an AM radio confuse

Like this Bonneville it did mount to the wheel well but the Bonneville has the longer quarter panel,

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-- Edited by ABC123 on Thursday 14th of November 2019 08:17:45 PM

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I will take a picture of the antenna mounting on my 69 Parisienne tomorrow and post it here. 



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Yes, it would be a modified antenna that goes up with the radio switch. Factory is a manual control on the dash.

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gparis7 wrote:

I will take a picture of the antenna mounting on my 69 Parisienne tomorrow and post it here. 


 Thank you Sir !



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I'll take a measurement on my 69 2+2 which has a factory rear antenna and and my 69 American car with power antenna and post both tomorrow. A few thoughts though...

a power antenna wasn't offered on any 69 Canadian Pontiacs, only the chevy spec manual rear antenna option (offered repro, it was used on Camaro, chevelle and Impala series)

the power antenna switch mounted on the far left position on the dash (to the left of the power top switch). The system was manually controlled with no connection to the radio. it only went up or down when you operated the switch.

I wouldn't set up your antenna to work automatically with the radio, two issues: first there are no limit switches so the motor will keep going till you cut the power which will wreck the teeth on the motor in no time, second the mast is very long when fully extended, looks silly and gives bad reception for FM (FM likes about 30" of mast, too much you get echo and flutter)

a factory (US model) power antenna isn't located in the same place as Canadian rear antenna cars

the Bonneville and Catalina power antenna's are mounted the same distance from the front of the trunklid so the bonneville power antenna ends up being 6" further from the rear bumper say than on the Catalina because the Bonneville has a 6" longer rear deck

the factory power antenna mounting setup for US big cars won't work properly on a Canadian car because the inner wheelhouse where it bolts to is quite different in terms of shape and location

However you can easily fabricate a small lower bracket to anchor to the lip of the wheelhouse (Ames sells the GTO lower clamp in repro that probably would work better than the one you have)

Make sure you ground the body of the antenna to the car body just under the pinchweld for the trunk weatherstrip. A weak ground will really slow up the motor operation.

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The factory rear manual antenna on my 2+2

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These pics are the factory install on my 69 Catalina ragtop, Bonneville is same setup.

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Not really related but here is a factory power antenna on my Bonneville wagon, the only power antenna application by pontiac that wasn't tilted back

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Same switch arrangement in the wagon as the Catalina

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I know it doesn't affect the 69 option but I've often wondered why the earlier years of Pontiac power antennas were straight up for Canada and angle back for the American models. My 66 Grand Parisienne had a factory power antenna and that was straight up. And as you say the American ones angled back. interesting that the 69 Canadian model Pontiacs didn't have a factory rear power antenna. Either I've never realized that before or it's another one of those things that's been forgotten.

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Thank you John(North)

Awesome pics and information.

The 1969 2+2 East of Port Hope, Ontario, may be the one you spotted earlier this year.

It was for sale for only a short time.

350 but fully optioned car otherwise.

The current owner did not know a lot about the car.

I did not get pictures and the owner did not want his car on anywhere on the net.

Too late biggrin

It was posted on Canadian Poncho twice, could not find the first post from the estate sale but this one you can click on the photos in this post.

Note the dash, just power top.

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https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t62675345/nicest-1969-parisienne-convertible-22-for-sale-in-cobourg-on/

If only I could go back in time and got a good look at that system he had.

Must have been aftermarket.



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What's the thing on the right hand side in the first photo? Is that a side view of the conduit I referred to earlier?

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The thing on the right in the very first photo of the thread is the rear seat cable guard. It protects the coaxial and power cables under the rear seat cushion on the passenger side.

I measured the factory installed antennas on my cars, to hole center measured in inches in all cases:

Rear manual on my 2+2;
From forward edge of trunk lid back to antenna... 14.5
From sharp outer edge of quarter to antenna... 2

Rear power on my Catalina (same on my Bonneville)
From forward edge of trunk lid back to antenna... 11
From sharp outer edge of quarter to antenna... 1.5

The farther out to the right location on the Catalina is probably related to the mounting point on the inner wheelhouse to insure left to right verticality. The reasonFor the Catalina antenna being further forward is probably related to its greater angle, ensuring that someone walking around the car doesnt get an antenna tip in his face

The reason the 68 and older Canadian Pontiacs had a vertical power antenna rather than angled like the Catalina is because they were Chevrolet antennas.



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North wrote:


The reason the 68 and older Canadian Pontiacs had a vertical power antenna rather than angled like the Catalina is because they were Chevrolet antennas.

 



 I believe it but it seems odd they would do that because the 66 Caprice 1/4 panel and the 66 Grande Parisienne quarter panel sure weren't similar as far as mounting the antenna goes. 



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Hey guys, I really appreciate all the help. Funny not one person posted saying "don't do that" If you go up to the top of the page and click the eBay link and search for these antennas you find the other 1969 has updated his price. He now wants $400 US Wow ! The is also a 63-64 Canadian one near Winnipeg.

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North wrote:

The thing on the right in the very first photo of the thread is the rear seat cable guard. It protects the coaxial and power cables under the rear seat cushion on the passenger side.



Thanks John, I'm not used to seeing a side view, but I thought that's what it might be.   In my earlier posts I called it a "conduit".   I know they're sometimes tough to find as they're in a rust prone area.



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