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Buying a new car with lane keeping technology...make sure your glass is covered!


Our 2016 Civic, with "Honda Sensing" took a rock to the windshield 2 months ago. Small crack at the bottom, could live with it. Went though a carwash last weekend, cracked from top to bottom.

Being quoted at around 1500 bucks! taxes in to replace it. This is not a large peice of glass. Just to let you know what you'll be up against...the new standard response from the shops is now "well, the car has sensors looking through the glass, and must be re-calibrated" Uh huh, right...

 

I do like the LKAS feature on our Civic, it works great on long highway drives, as it actually semi steers itself. Thing is, this "Tech" is pretty close to becoming standard on all cars, so be aware...make sure your glass is covered. The day of the 300 dollar windshield is about over.





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For years the aftermarket has kicked OEM butt with pricing on windshields. We've done hundreds of aftermarket windshields during my employ here. Now with all this new stuff, we have no option in some cases but to pay the big money for OEM.

We have a well established, well respected one man mobile glass repair shop in our area. He's started buying some OEM windshields from me because he has been burned twice now putting a jobber glass in a GM and then some of this new stuff didn't work once he was done. He took a big hit on those 2 jobs. Last one he got from me was just under $900 for the glass only I believe, then there's still the labour.

Just another reason I love my Strato Chief!

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I always say technology is great when it works, but a pain when it works against you.

I agree that this type of technology does have its benefits, LKAS especially reduces fatigue on long drives once you learn to trust the technology and not fight it (like I do... lol).  I could easily live without it though.  My personal cars are older and don't have any of this new 'tech' stuff.

There was an article about this a little over a year ago:  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/camera-directed-car-toward-oncoming-traffic-after-windshield-replacement-man-says-1.4715817

I would shop around for a price - $1500 seems steep.  I mean, the costs are high anyhow but that seems a little too high.

Using rough figures I would expect the costs to be as follows:

Windshield and mouldings: $600 (Honda parts)

Installation labour:             $200

Camera calibration:            $200

Total:                                $1000 (+taxes)

I'm assuming that you got the quote for insurance, and I suspect some businesses may jack up the prices for insurance claims (I've seen it before).  As mentioned in the article - make sure your windshield is a Honda part, and not some cheaper aftermarket piece.  The figures above are very rough so costs could vary a little from these.



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Still shopping around. Any quotes we get, they all (of course) suggest we go through insurance. Also the fact that this is the gouge capital of Canada doesn't help. The GTA.

The crack is smack dab in the center of the screen, and runs pretty much straight up. doesn't bother the eye at all...might leave it lol!



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You don't have safety inspections unless you want to sell the car, right?

If that's the case and it's not bothering anything I think I'd leave it until it becomes a problem.  With winter coming on you might just end up with more stone hits once the pavement starts breaking up.

Down here we have to get inspections every 2 years (used to be 1 year), and it won't pass with cracked glass.



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4SPEED427 wrote:

He's started buying some OEM windshields from me because he has been burned twice now putting a jobber glass in a GM and then some of this new stuff didn't work once he was done.


Also, OEM windshields are better quality glass than aftermarket in my experience. I'll never get aftermarket glass installed in a car ever again.



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How and in what way is factory glass better than aftermarket? Just curious.



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How and in what way is factory glass better than aftermarket? Just curious.


 I found aftermarket glass "scuffs" way easier.

It may be poor luck, but I've have more bad experiences with stone chips with aftermarket glass. OEM seems to repel rock hits better.



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cdnpont wrote:

How and in what way is factory glass better than aftermarket? Just curious.


That's a difficult question to answer without access to specifications or other data, but I would guess that there are probably greater dimensional tolerances, and likely some differences in chemical composition and construction.

OEM suppliers have strict specifications to adhere to, whereas the aftermarket can pretty much do as they like, as long as it keeps the costs down and follows the base requirements by law (i.e. laminated glass, etc.). 

To illustrate this more succinctly, one only has to have a discussion about how many cheap Chinese parts have flowed out into the aftermarket that are absolute junk.  Sometimes they don't even fit without modifications, not to mention substandard metallurgy, etc.



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cdnpont wrote:

How and in what way is factory glass better than aftermarket? Just curious.


 As funny as this may sound, an OEM glass is quieter as far as outside noise getting into the cab. 

On the G8 forum many many guys have said never again to an aftermarket glass because of the noise. 

We've seen instances where the two glasses side by side were visibly different in thickness, of course the OEM being thicker.



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Only a couple of years ago, I bought a windshield from a salvage yard.

They had an agreement with a local chain auto glass shop to come to the yard, remove the glass
and then install it in my vehicle.

By the time the job was done, it cost me about 60% of going new.

 

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If they take the windshield out there is a chance that the camera may get moved or be in the incorrect position after the 

windshield replacement. If you rely on this camera working and can't keep your car on the road, this is very important. LOL

If you drive like a responsible person and stay on your side of the road, the camera does not matter. LOL.  We get paid close to 2 hours to

do a calibration of said camera's. Also if doing an alignment there is requirements for calibrating, due to possibly having

the steering wheel in wrong spot and causing the lane departure and steering assist for lane departure to work incorrectly. 

Welcome to modern technology. And lets put the blame on something other than Humans that can't drive. 



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What is the basic process to calibrate it Rick? Did you have to purchase specialized equipment to do this?

As far as being responsible and staying in my lane, I can do that just fine. Have successfully for years. But the LKAS system, provided the car tracks well without it, is a really a great fatigue reducer on long trips. Made four, 16 hour trips to Gaspe this past year, and used it all the time I was driving. For those that don't know, it basically senses the road markings from a camera up behind the rear view mirror, and more or less holds the car between those markings. You must continuously have your hand(s) on the wheel, and it must sense an input every 7 seconds or so... or it beeps and warns you "steering input required", no input and it disengages. It's a neat toy though, in that within those 7 seconds or so, you can hands off the wheel and the car will actually round a bend and straighten out again...on it's own. Signal a lane change and it drops out and reengages in the next lane. No signal and it beeps and shakes the wheel when you cross the line. No visible or poor lane markings it beeps and drops out. But a light touch on the wheel and you can feel it gently inputting through your hands.

Basically you steer, but it more or less does half the work. You still are focused on your lane, and maybe even more so the road further ahead. My wife won't use it, and to be honest, it's something that you must get familiar with to have it work as intended. The LKAS with adaptive cruise is an excellent system to use on a long highway trip. But you still have to know how to manipulate it. It might just confuse you if you don't really know it. 

One point about new glass, I think on some newer cars, the glass could be more prone to breakage...due to the fact the glass now appears so flat. Less convex so to speak. Could this be true? We lost two shields on our last Accord, and now one with the Civic. Never lost a windshield on any cars before, took some hits, got bulls eyes and all, but never a crack afterwards.



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I've had stone chips on my VW's fixed 5 or 6 times and never lost a windshield so I'd recommend getting any fixable damage fixed immediately. I did replace one after 300,000 KM's as it was getting big swirl marks from the wipers and was really bad heading into the sun.
I find the glass we get now doesn't seem as hard and immune to wiper swirls as I remember on the old cars. Maybe its just the aerodynamics changes the sun's glare since its hitting the glass at a different angle, more slant?

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Have only done Toyota's, as I work at a Dealership. But it involves laying out an area about at least 10ft in front and rear of car with no 

obstacles, then you need a scan tool to go into calibration, layout of a bunch of lines so you know where center of the car is.

Then you have to measure as per the repair manual, a bunch of measurements and cross measurements in order to find the right 

place to put the approved square print out, looks like crash test dummy pattern, on a stick so you can adjust to the right height 

the input a bunch of numbers into the scan tool and if you are off on measurements and the camera does not like where you have out 

the square test pattern, you can start all over again. we tested one car prior to calibration and it did make a bit of difference. 

So every car that comes in for this must go thru this set up, as we do not have one prefect spot to calibrate scar every 6 months. LOL.

 



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