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I think the Media is putting to much emphasis on EV and not enough on the advancements and importance of Hydrogen Power.


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I have often wondered why more development of hydrogen as an energy source has not been pursued. 

I always assumed technical complexity and cost, as compared to relatively cheap conventional alternatives like fossil fuels. 

Perhaps with a greater and more urgent emphasis on the environment, hydrogen's time will come. 



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The "Greenies" probably like ev's far more. So that is their pet project and they are wrapping their arms around ev and not the................ other possibility. It is some kind of popularity contest and guess what............ ev wins. 



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The "Greenies" probably like ev's far more. So that is their pet project and they are wrapping their arms around ev and not the................ other possibility. It is some kind of popularity contest and guess what............ ev wins. 


 Yes EV's are the favourite (now) for replacing the average Joe's family car,and the regular average Joe's truck.

EV's will hardly be the choice of the thousands of semi's that roll down the 401 everyday,

or the ships that cross the oceans

No EV is going to replace trucks that make a 10 or 12 hour runs across the country or across the border.

No business is going to put up with a 400 mile run with an hour stop to recharge.

EV's will be strickly for urban drivers.

I predict EV's will be the eight track of the transportation industry. 

Hydrogen Power will directly replace fossil fuels without any change to the driving schedule.

instead of gas stations, we'll have Hydrogen stations. Five minutes to fill and off we go.

Nothing much will change in your cross country travel with Hydrogen......and the government will get their tax money from the Hydrogen 

that will be sold and the eco people will have accomplished what they wanted.

Time for the media to started talking up Hydrogen power instead of glorifying everything Tesla and  EVs.

I may be wrong about the future for Hydrogen.....but then again I may be right.

 

 

 



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One thing to remember is that both are still electric cars.  The difference is that the EV gets its electric power from an external source to charge its batteries, the other is that it uses an on-board generator to charge its batteries - the on-board generator uses hydrogen and a fuel cell to generate energy, so in concept it's not much different than a conventional hybrid except for the type of generator it uses.  When I hear hydrogen-powered, it seems like a misnomer because it doesn't actually use hydrogen as 'fuel' (i.e. internal combustion).  Also, I recall hearing years ago that research has been done with fuel cells using other gases as well.

While I find the technology interesting, I'm not ready to buy into it yet, and won't be for many years.  In fact I just bought a new car that runs on gasoline, so I'm good for another 10 - 15 years.

One concern I have about electric vehicles is the effect of EMF on the human body.  There doesn't seem to be much information out there on something that could be a real issue these vehicles.  Will driving an electric car cause cancer?

https://www.saferemr.com/2014/07/shouldnt-hybrid-and-electric-cars-be-re.html



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EMF's are definitely unhealthy however the risk is diminished exponentially as you move away from the source. I actually have an expensive EMF meter and it would be interesting to ride in an EV to measure the readings. It's not hard to shield from EMF so maybe the cars are already - especially near sensitive electronics.

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long stroke wrote:

The "Greenies" probably like ev's far more. So that is their pet project and they are wrapping their arms around ev and not the................ other possibility. It is some kind of popularity contest and guess what............ ev wins. 


 Yes EV's are the favourite (now) for replacing the average Joe's family car,and the regular average Joe's truck.

EV's will hardly be the choice of the thousands of semi's that roll down the 401 everyday,

or the ships that cross the oceans

No EV is going to replace trucks that make a 10 or 12 hour runs across the country or across the border.

No business is going to put up with a 400 mile run with an hour stop to recharge.

EV's will be strickly for urban drivers.

I predict EV's will be the eight track of the transportation industry. 

Hydrogen Power will directly replace fossil fuels without any change to the driving schedule.

instead of gas stations, we'll have Hydrogen stations. Five minutes to fill and off we go.

Nothing much will change in your cross country travel with Hydrogen......and the government will get their tax money from the Hydrogen 

that will be sold and the eco people will have accomplished what they wanted.

Time for the media to started talking up Hydrogen power instead of glorifying everything Tesla and  EVs.

I may be wrong about the future for Hydrogen.....but then again I may be right.

 

 

 George, i agree with you all the way on every count. There is no way to put it any better. 


 



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100 years ago the Horse and Buggy fans were saying the same thing about gas powered cars.

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EMF's are definitely unhealthy however the risk is diminished exponentially as you move away from the source. I actually have an expensive EMF meter and it would be interesting to ride in an EV to measure the readings. It's not hard to shield from EMF so maybe the cars are already - especially near sensitive electronics.


 Fully agree with you, Todd, they should be shielding already.  My comment was a reaction to the article I linked to above, suggesting that perhaps the accepted standards are not strong enough:

"Meanwhile, numerous peer-reviewed laboratory studies conducted over several decades have found biologic effects from limited exposures to ELF EMF. These studies suggest that the EMF guidelines established by the self-appointed, International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) are inadequate to protect our health. Based upon the research, more than 230 EMF experts have signed the International EMF Scientist Appeal which calls on the World Health Organization to establish stronger guidelines for ELF and radio frequency EMF. Thus, even if EMF measurements comply with the ICNIRP guidelines, occupants of hybrid and electric cars may still be at increased risk for cancer and other health problems."



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100 years ago the Horse and Buggy fans were saying the same thing about gas powered cars.


 Yup, you are correct.  I've read that the idea was that they were a fad, and would never last.  I guess they were wrong.  wink



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German hydrogen trains.

www.cnn.com/travel/article/coradia-ilint-hydrogen-trains/index.html

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German hydrogen trains.

www.cnn.com/travel/article/coradia-ilint-hydrogen-trains/index.html


 To be powered by Newfoundland hydrogen?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-newfoundland-wind-hydrogen-investment/



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The problem with hydrogen is the high pressure storage tank to store the hydrogen in the vehicle. Pure hydrogen would need to be stored at pressures as high as 10,000 psi. Fuel cell technology is a great start for producing a zero or near zero emissions vehicle. If the hydrogen was being used as a combustible fuel to run an engine or heat a home the btu rating is about 1/3 of natural gas, so you would need a lot more hydrogen to do the same job. Also if ammonia or hydrogen is used as a combustible fuel the nox emissions can be very high.

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