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Leaking alloy wheels


My wife has a 2008 Malibu Hybrid with the alloy wheels and on the instrument cluster has the INFO CENTRE which is always showing low pressure tire in the right rear.

A couple of trips to the tire shop and leaky rims and once an actual nail.

Any one have a magic bullet to stop the rim corrosion.

The tire shops just buff the corrosion of and reinflate the tire.

Usually good for 3 weeks and then the data sends more messages. 

 Help.

 

 



-- Edited by oshawacliff on Saturday 12th of December 2020 02:45:57 PM



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Are they simply buffing the rim and putting the tire back on? I've had pretty good luck with brushing on a good application of bead sealer. Alloy rims are a pain in the cold weather....

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May not be worth it, but I had to have the rims on our mother's '09 Honda replaced with refurbished OE ones, back some years ago, which solved the problem. Some of the alloys really degrade when exposed to some of what they're spraying on the roads, these days. Honda Canada was of no help, naturally. I don't remember exactly how much it cost, but I'm sure it was north of $500, and less than $1,000, mounted and balanced. The service takes your wheels, and refurbs them, then resells them. Good work, if you can get it!

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Once it starts going bad on the bead it comes back faster next time after each clean-up.

So move to California or put the alloys away every winter

We used to break them down clean them up with the wire brush on a drill

then oil them up with ATF 

found that to be better than bead sealer

just my experience working at a Toyota dealership years ago

 



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Glad to know the chemical name for that liquid salt sodium chloride. That stuff invades everywhere ! I just serviced the brakes on my 2017 silverado with 29,000 kilometers and am happy I did not wait any longer as visible rust was on the caliper sliders. From now on every fall I am going to service the brakes and avoid having to replace the calipers.

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It's not just good, old, Goderich-mined rock salt, any more. Now, they load it up with stuff like magnesium and calcium, which melt the snow faster, but interact with various metal alloys, like the aluminum our wheels are made of, and the steel that brake rotors and calipers are formed from. And the choice of alloy compounds renders some of the components more or less susceptible to different formulations.

The exciter rings that provide signals to our ABS/ASR computers are vulnerable, too.

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4SPEED427 wrote:

I've had pretty good luck with brushing on a good application of bead sealer.

Alloy rims are a pain in the cold weather....


 Yes & yes.

Aluminum rims expand/contract a lot in cold weather and react with steel and salt.



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You're not really supposed to do this as theoretically it could cause the tire to slip on the rim - and I suppose it would under performance applications, but over the years I experimented with applying a small film of silicone grease on the bead of the tire before installation and it seems to work.  I've had a set of winters on aluminum wheels for several years now, and no leaks.  The silicone grease is compatible with the rubber in the tire, so no degradation there either.

Yes, road salt accelerates corrosion, but not just aluminum wheels as I've had steel wheels rust at the tire bead as well.  I've also applied the silicone grease in steel winter wheel applications with good results.

I'm not telling anybody to do this, only that it has worked for me.  I hate corrosion and will go to great lengths to keep it at bay...



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MC wrote:

You're not really supposed to do this as theoretically it could cause the tire to slip on the rim - and I suppose it would under performance applications, but over the years I experimented with applying a small film of silicone grease on the bead of the tire before installation and it seems to work.  I've had a set of winters on aluminum wheels for several years now, and no leaks.  The silicone grease is compatible with the rubber in the tire, so no degradation there either.

Yes, road salt accelerates corrosion, but not just aluminum wheels as I've had steel wheels rust at the tire bead as well.  I've also applied the silicone grease in steel winter wheel applications with good results.

I'm not telling anybody to do this, only that it has worked for me.  I hate corrosion and will go to great lengths to keep it at bay...


AGREE, once the wheels are bad grease is the only answer but I use lots.   It gets cold here and slow leaks are a pain.  Grease is the only cure that will last years.    "Proper" tire sealant (that most shops don't use anyway) turns rock hard and starts to leak again after a couple seasons.  Properly inflated you will never spin the rim in a tire unless you bolt the tire to the ground.



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After dealing with slow leaks on the alloy wheels on my 2012 Charger for a couple of years I had them refinished. I dropped them off at Winnipeg Wheel and after a couple of days and shelling out $500-$600 I have a set of virtually new alloys on the car, no more leaks. I am really happy with the job they did. Highly recommend it.

Previously on our 2008 Malibu I scrapped the alloys and replaced them with steel wheels. If memory serves me correctly the cost to do that was the same or more than the refinishing.



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Is the problem due to corrosion creating a rough surface that wont seal, or is corrosion exposing porosity in the alloy casting?
In either case, would painting the inner flange & inside (the tire) wheel surface with a good primer or maybe even clear coat solve the problem? You could smooth out a lot of roughness with a good high-build epoxy primer, and it would likely form a seal if the problem is porosity.

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MC wrote:

You're not really supposed to do this as theoretically it could cause the tire to slip on the rim - and I suppose it would under performance applications, but over the years I experimented with applying a small film of silicone grease on the bead of the tire before installation and it seems to work.  I've had a set of winters on aluminum wheels for several years now, and no leaks.  The silicone grease is compatible with the rubber in the tire, so no degradation there either.

 


 I worked 16 years for a tank trailer manufacturer. A local shop mounted all our tires and every alloy wheel was slathered (at the bead) with a lube of some sort. I don't know what they used specifically, but it had the colour and consistency of dielectric grease and they laid it on thick. I assume it served as both a mounting aid and corrosion barrier. It would definitely be an approved substance, because that business is highly regulated and CODES ARE KING, not to be interpreted or loosely followed! 

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Clean (sand with emery cloth) the rim lip and apply the green snot in a bottle,you can get at Princess or CTC. Should seal them up.

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Just stopped at the local tire shop for the repair Taunton Tire was a prime customer back in the day's of Green + Ross and I spent many a day at Tauntons kitchen table picking up cheques for the account. The report came back that the previous repair by another shop was faulty and a used matching Michelin would be $50.00. We approved the used tire When the car was done we were greeted by a few staff telling us that it would be no charge. Merry Christmas Another unexpected act of kindness

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oshawacliff wrote:

We approved the used tire When the car was done we were greeted by a few staff telling us that it would be no charge. Merry Christmas Another unexpected act of kindness


 That's great. I love these feel-good stories!



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