Federal Government says: All new cars, light-duty trucks sold in Canada will be electric by 2035

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Federal Government says: All new cars, light-duty trucks sold in Canada will be electric by 2035

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Well this one guy that won't be buying one!!!

mike667 · Poncho Master!

dualquadpete wrote:
Well this one guy that won't be buying one!!!

Same here! What a joke!!

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

2035........I'll be 90.

I won't buy one and I'll be giving up my driver's licence (if it isn't taken away already).

Where's the billions in tax revenue going to come from when gas cars are eliminated?

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Just buy a 2034 gas powered vehicle and you'll still be good till 2050...

That said, there might be some kick-butt electric vehicles on the market by then, you might really want one. Remember, maximum torque available right from 0 rpm... wink

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Also, note the correction at the bottom of the article:

Corrections

A previous version of this story said all vehicles would be electric. In fact, all vehicles will be zero emissions, which can include things like hydrogen fuel cells.
Jun 30, 2021 11:10 AM MT

Do I recall correctly, George, that you are a huge proponent of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? If so, then that avenue should still be available. smile

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

MC wrote:
Just buy a 2034 gas powered vehicle and you'll still be good till 2050...
That said, there might be some kick-butt electric vehicles on the market by then, you might really want one. Remember, maximum torque available right from 0 rpm...

There's kick butt electric vehicles available now. That new Tesla Model S "Plaid" does 0-60 in 1.99 seconds and runs the 1/4 in 9.24 seconds.

"Only 135k USD"..

Winnipeg · Addicted!

MC wrote:
Also, note the correction at the bottom of the article:
Corrections
A previous version of this story said all vehicles would be electric. In fact, all vehicles will be zero emissions, which can include things like hydrogen fuel cells.
Jun 30, 2021 11:10 AM MT
Do I recall correctly, George, that you are a huge proponent of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? If so, then that avenue should still be available.

I have a neighbour who is retired Airforce and he is itching to see and get his first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. He's thinking of a new electric 4X4 but trying to hold out for the former

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

MC wrote:
Also, note the correction at the bottom of the article:
Corrections
A previous version of this story said all vehicles would be electric. In fact, all vehicles will be zero emissions, which can include things like hydrogen fuel cells.
Jun 30, 2021 11:10 AM MT
Do I recall correctly, George, that you are a huge proponent of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? If so, then that avenue should still be available.

Yes Mark you're right I personally see Hydrogen as a better way to travel Canada than electric.

I'm not a new car buyer though. I've owned two new cars in my 74 years. A 1987 Safari van to accommodate my growing family and a 2007 Pontiac Wave, which we still have.

All other cars in my life have been used cars or trucks. I won't be buying either a new or used electric or hydrogen fueled car, just don't need it.

What I have now serves me just fine, and is most likely the last cars I'll own. Love my cars, and like having them around.

Since retiring I find I drive less and less each year, just a matter of time before I don't want to pay insurance on my vehicles and I'll just quit driving.

Won't need a car in the home. biggrin

see2xu · Addicted!

Yeah, and the Model S Plaid has ~630 km of range, under ideal conditions, which won't get you from the Sault to Thunder Bay, or Saskatoon to the 'Peg. They're lovely cars, but BEVs aren't yet ready under "normal" Canadian operating conditions, which include cold weather, and long distances. Hydrogen fuel cells will be the answer for long distances and heavy loads, but aren't going to be ready for prime time before 2030, if then.

-- Edited by see2xu on Wednesday 30th of June 2021 06:15:27 PM

Lemans64 · Poncho Master!

Glad I will retired from the Auto industries before that crap hits the market. Getting bad already with the hybrid stuff and self driving vehicles.
Along with cameras, lane departure warning, ETC. Just more electronic stuff to go weird and have to try and figure out why with nobody
wanting to pay to figure it out. Manufacturer or customer. Can you tell I'm getting close to retirement, LOL.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

The primary issue is when words like fuel vehicles being banned are being used. I value my Civil Liberties and I don't like or particularly want to be told what to do or else.

Nicad batteries are generally safe except when they go wrong they can be highly corrosive to the skin, cause burns, cause varying degrees of irritation to the nasal mucous membranes and respiratory tract tissues as well as being carcinogenic.

1965CS · Guru

Wouldn't be surprised if gas prices double (or more) when this happens.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

1965CS wrote:
Wouldn't be surprised if gas prices double (or more) when this happens.

There will undoubtably be many social democratic policies implemented to achieve the desire results.

-- Edited by 73SC on Wednesday 30th of June 2021 11:44:12 PM

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Greaser wrote:
MC wrote:
Also, note the correction at the bottom of the article:
Corrections
A previous version of this story said all vehicles would be electric. In fact, all vehicles will be zero emissions, which can include things like hydrogen fuel cells.
Jun 30, 2021 11:10 AM MT
Do I recall correctly, George, that you are a huge proponent of hydrogen fuel cell vehicles? If so, then that avenue should still be available.

Yes Mark you're right I personally see Hydrogen as a better way to travel Canada than electric.
I'm not a new car buyer though. I've owned two new cars in my 74 years. A 1987 Safari van to accommodate my growing family and a 2007 Pontiac Wave, which we still have.
All other cars in my life have been used cars or trucks. I won't be buying either a new or used electric or hydrogen fueled car, just don't need it.
What I have now serves me just fine, and is most likely the last cars I'll own. Love my cars, and like having them around.
Since retiring I find I drive less and less each year, just a matter of time before I don't want to pay insurance on my vehicles and I'll just quit driving.
Won't need a car in the home.

Precisely the number of new cars I've owned - bought one when I started working and one when I finished. smile

All others have been used (though one was a 1-yr old used company car, which I almost qualify as new). I used to go through at least a car a year (owned multiples, got bored with some of them) but now tend to buy and keep 'forever' (still have multiples). Oldest now is a '97 that we bought in '99.

Probably will never buy another new one but you never know - I don't try to predict the future anymore. I still prefer the attributes of a gas powered vehicle, and by 2050 my current new car will be 30 years old (will probably still have it if I'm alive). I won't rule out electric but wouldn't buy one now as the slope on the development curve is still pretty steep. When they reach some sort of plateau and are mainstream with all the problems (especially with range and charge times - but also potential safety hazards) worked out and charging stations everywhere I won't rule out the possibility of owning one.

I've stated before that I think hydrogen is neat, but am not a fan of the complexity of having all the fuel cell stuff + a compressed gas cylinder on what is essentially an EV with a generator on board. H2 doesn't exist in nature, so it has to be manufactured which requires energy. So you are using energy to manufacture a fuel, then trucking it to distribution centres, using energy to transfer it to your vehicle, and then using it to generate electricity to power your EV. Why not save the expense and complexity and just let the power companies generate the electricity (hopefully they will not be using coal or fossil fuels to generate it by that time)? Seems a lot more efficient to me. But yeah, in Canada, with our cold winters, maybe FCVs are the way to go? I am patient enough to let the automakers figure that out.

Until I'm convinced that it's superior technology, though, I plan on sticking to my good ol' fossil fuel guzzlers... biggrin

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I'm intrigued by electric cars but can't see myself ever being able to afford one. I also could never feel comfortable charging one inside a garage - esp if the garage was attached to my house. Then again I'd never park my regular car in an attached garage! I suspect all EV"s will be like cell phones- almost impossible for the average guy to do repairs. Tesla Capacitors have a 12 year lifespan. Many Tesla Roadsters and some Model S are older than that now and need them replaced. Only one or two places in the US will replace capacitors. You know darn well when "mainstream" EV's have problems like this you'll need to buy a complete module for several thousand dollars or once the part is discontinued you'll be out of luck.. Wouldn't surprise me if these modules get sealed permanently so nobody can work on them.

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

How am I supposed to drive to West Virginia towing one of my cars [if I don't drive it down there,] in an electric tow vehicle??? I'd be lucky to make it to west side of NY state before a recharge, if there's a charging station?? Wait a few hours then continue till nearly dead again!! A 1 day trip turns into 3 days ??? NO WAY

r66sd · Addicted!

Lemans64 wrote:
Glad I will retired from the Auto industries before that crap hits the market. Getting bad already with the hybrid stuff and self driving vehicles.
Along with cameras, lane departure warning, ETC. Just more electronic stuff to go weird and have to try and figure out why with nobody
wanting to pay to figure it out. Manufacturer or customer. Can you tell I'm getting close to retirement, LOL.

So a quick question Rick. I have a 2018 Camry XLE (6 cyl) loaded with all the cameras etc. Would you recommend paying to extend the 3 year warranty or not. My 3 years are up in August. Only have 27k on it now.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I can answer that. As a former Service Advisor of 30 years or so I'd say yes buy the extended warranty (As long as it's extended warranty from Toyota and not aftermarket). Make sure the electronics and AC are covered.
One repair could pay for the warranty and it's also a great selling feature if you do decide to sell the car as it's transferable to a new owner. My 2 cents for what it's worth lol.

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I have a vw diesel, a 2015, bought the extended warranty and it expires in 2024 and 270,000 kms. It has the urea system, wouldnt own one of them without extended warranty. It goes over 1000 kms on a tank/65 liters. It will be gone before the warranty expires.

I thought by the time I need another vehicle, an electric could be an option, by then range amd quick charging would have evolved, which I think is possible. I figured eliminating an engine and transmission and a big pile of sensors would be a great thing. Looking at any new vehicle now, electric, hybrids, or gas, the self driving and auto cruise stuff, and the nanny controls on everything, Im thinking no way I buy anything newer than a 2015, no matter the fuel source. Fixing vehicles is pretty much completely controlled by the manufacturer with proprietary software in everything, so may things require a software update, manufacturers via dealers control everything. Everything is basically parts changing, other than software. When that big screen on the dash goes, theyll plug in a new one, via your wallet. Everything changes so fast in vehicles, no more aftermarket parts? Wholl make a part if it only fits one model year. And those big screens run your ac, phone, radio, just about everything, car wont work without it?

Then there is the parts shortages. I recall someone who had a 7 year old or so F150, his heater control module went, couldnt get a new one. For an F150!! There is a back order for a turbo for my diesel(mine is fine), made by Bosch, 6 months.

Im thinking my next daily driver will be no newer than say a 2010. And I dont want anything to do with cylinder deactivation or hybrid. Maybe nothing 2000 or newer. Maybe a 1984 Parisienne?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

If all goes well I'm keeping my 96 Accord a few more years. The only real issue it has right now is a small rack leak. The rack is a PITA to replace in any car so I'll keep adding fluid for the time being. The AC still works and the car drives extremely smooth. The body is extremely solid (last owner only used the car here in PEI when she was visiting for the summer) . Parts are dirt cheap. I have a replacement bumper cover (mine has some cracks) that I will install whenever I get around to painting the car (paint is faded bad). I also have a low mileage (130k) extra transmission in case mine craps out. I'm told the auto trans are the weak link in these cars but mine has 270k on it and shifts fine).

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

I think I'll be buried in my '06 GMC truck. That's why I bought the 8' box. More room to stretch out. wink