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4SPEED427


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I needed to change a valve stem on my tire. I could drive about 18 minutes one way to the dealership I used to work at and use their machine to break the bead. BUT, the desire to improvise and do it on my own was strong. It often is that way!

Attempt #1 was a fail. I lay the tire on the ground under my truck. Put a bottle jack on the tire by the valve stem and tried breaking the bead with a bottle jack, but the jack didn't have enough travel to push the tire down far enough to pop it. Discouraged, i was standing in the garage thinking how can I do this? As I stood there my eyes fell on the press! It worked great. I've never heard of or seen this done but if you're ever stuck and have a press, go for it.

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You're a wise man Carl.

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Wise? Questionable! Desperate? Yup. I wanted to post this because I enjoy when guys post that they've found solutions where they didn't have the right tool for the job!

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Another use for the press!



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I've been thinking maybe it's time to buy one of those Princess Auto cheapy tire machines but I read the reviews. There's a lot of hate in there! Does anyone have one of those machines? It's on sale for $99 right now. I don't mind if I have to make improvements on it. I'm thinking I'd weld up a 2" square tube that would slide into the 2" receiver on my truck. That way I could just mount in to the back of my truck when it's time to use. I wouldn't need to drill holes in my floor (floor heat) and could tuck it out of the way quickly when I'm not using it.

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i hate my PA tire changer the BALLBUSTER 2000 kills me everytime.......

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Why, what happens? When you start pulling on the bar does the rim slip?



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timbuk wrote:

i hate my PA tire changer the BALLBUSTER 2000 kills me everytime.......

 That doesn't sound good! And you were able to have children?wink



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first the tire bead breaker bent i welded it up it does not break that many beads so you are usually working alternate plan like you did carl its hard on akuminum rims and harder on the body it will get you out of a jam i reccomend it for young people and im 39

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timbuk wrote:

i hate my PA tire changer the BALLBUSTER 2000 kills me everytime.......

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In theory it appears to be a good deal...and idea.

I spent far too much time trying to take tires  off......and on, that it defeated the point of the stupid thing.

Like you said,you start looking at alternatives beyond this tire changer to help get it done.

Made in China...that should tell you all you need to know.

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I had the Princess Auto tire machine. I did need to weld a piece of angle to the bead breaker to reinforce it. I put thread inserts in my floor to bolt it down and it worked ok. My cousin gave me a Princess Auto heavy duty version that was for 14 to 22 inch tires. It has been discontinued, but works great. My brother currently has my old one but hasnt used it yet.
I hadnt thought of mounting the tire machine to a Reese hitch as my truck is too high, it should work well if the height of the hitch isnt a problem.

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I love my PA tire machine.  i would buy one if i was you carl.   I have had to do alot of welding and braces on it over the years(yes it is a cheap pile of crap) but if you have the least bit of skills it can be easily modified and made way way better! It works for me.  As long as you dont mind scratching the crap out of the edge.  or do them upside down to avoid sometimes works too.

It is fairly labour intensive, but for the price and the space it works.   i would however suggest bolting to the floor or how about outside on the driveway?

I think mine is a larger one, does 14 and 15's no problem.



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This guy's method to break the bead seems like an easy way to do.



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beaumontguru wrote:

I love my PA tire machine.  i would buy one if i was you carl.   I have had to do alot of welding and braces on it over the years(yes it is a cheap pile of crap) but if you have the least bit of skills it can be easily modified and made way way better! It works for me.  As long as you dont mind scratching the crap out of the edge.  or do them upside down to avoid sometimes works too.

It is fairly labour intensive, but for the price and the space it works.   i would however suggest bolting to the floor or how about outside on the driveway?

I think mine is a larger one, does 14 and 15's no problem.

 I would like to take a look at your's Dave. I think I will buy one. The time will come in the next year or two when I can't use the dealership machine any more. As you say, I'm sure I can make it good enough to use it. The design is likely good for the most part, it's just the typical Chinese product.



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When I anchored my tire machine down I used these style anchors.


https://www.homedepot.ca/product/red-head-1-2-inch-x-2-inch-steel-drop-in-anchors-with-zinc-plated-finish-1-pack/1001072769

You will also need to buy the installation tool that is a special punch to spread the anchor. 

https://www.homedepot.ca/product/red-head-1-2-inch-hollow-core-drop-in-anchor-setting-tool-1-pack/1001071868

I like these anchors because I can remove the tire machine and there isnt anything sticking up out of the floor. I had some old plastic plugs that I push in the holes to keep the dirt out. 

Paul



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Maybe a set of these might be good,
If it wasnt for the fact they said Dunlop on some of them I would never of guessed what they were  

me thinks my photo attached 

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For sure, next time you are in town,  we will set it up and you can try it out.  I have done lots of tires including old bias ply ones that are rusted solid



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Hobbes wrote:

Maybe a set of these might be good,
If it wasnt for the fact they said Dunlop on some of them I would never of guessed what they were  

me thinks my photo attached 

Bob1A0288FC-3D08-43AB-AC82-B0BE1ABA6596.jpeg

 Many English cars up into the 60s came with tyre levers in the toolkit that came with the car. 

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Kind of the same as what I do Carl,but U use my porta power with a pipe hanging down from my header. Then 2 old leaf springs to pop it off the rim.

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Hmm, good idea! One thing I don't have (because I have zero body working skills) is a Porta Power.

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I have to ask the question:  For all the time, effort and money (not to mention the space taken up in your garage), unless you do a lot of tires why not just take them to a good tire shop?  

I used to mount and balance all my own tires at work on some nice Hunter equipment, but after retirement I just take them to my local shop to get them done.  No ball-breaking required. Just make sure that it's a shop that you know, that will be careful to not damage the rims.  Around here, these guys do this every day, for fussier customers than me with expensive wheels, so the chance of having them damaged is low.

That said I've only had to change tires every so often, even with 4 cars, but I keep my winters on a separate set of rims.  I just changed out the original tires on my summer car last year, but I drive that so seldomly that it will probably be another 10 years before I have to change them again...

Years ago in my stock car days, in a bind we could dismount a tire from a rim using pry bars and skinned knuckles.  I wouldn't recommend that either... biggrin



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MC wrote:

I have to ask the question:  For all the time, effort and money (not to mention the space taken up in your garage), unless you do a lot of tires why not just take them to a good tire shop?  

 

 Mostly because I'm cheap! And partly because of the convenience of being able to do it at home, when I want to. I love being self sufficient.



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I swap a set of wheels and tires about every 2 weeks,  glad i can do it myself!!!!



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Which leads to the next question. Balancing. Does anyone use one of those $100 bubble balancers?

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MC wrote:

I have to ask the question:  For all the time, effort and money (not to mention the space taken up in your garage), unless you do a lot of tires why not just take them to a good tire shop?  

 

 Mostly because I'm cheap! And partly because of the convenience of being able to do it at home, when I want to. I love being self sufficient.

 Fair enough.  I suppose at $99 you're not out a lot if it turns out to be NFG.  If I had a shop (which I don't), I'd probably be on the hunt for an old used commercial machine, for the very reason of being self sufficient (for example I do all my wheel changes in my driveway with my 3-ton jack and my tire wrench... people think I'm nuts but I like doing it myself).

My experience with bubble balancers are that they are alright to get it close, but you really need a dynamic balancer to get it just right.  I'm sure the old guys who only had bubble balancers to work with probably had some tricks to doing them right.  The balancer we had at work took it one step further - it was a "road force" model that actually loaded the tire while it was balancing.  My bad... it was a Hunter balancer, not Hofmann (Hofmann was our hoist manufacturer - I'll edit my previous post, not that anybody really cares... lol).  I think I just got so spoiled using top-notch equipment that I don't want to use sketchy stuff where I could get hurt anymore. My hands and other body parts are valuable to me... lol. 

https://www.hunter.com/wheel-balancers/road-force-elite/



-- Edited by MC on Monday 20th of September 2021 12:31:24 PM

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