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67 GP 2 Door rear window motor mounting?


OK, so I removed seats and door skins and took apart the regulator, and got the glass and motor out. The green plug was the culprit. The male ends are still in the plug and its corroded bad. It left little contact material on the motor. I managed to get wires on the contacts and the motor is working.  Reinstallation is a bitch.  The motor has to be connected to the regulator inside the door as they wont fit out together. Does the spring on the regulator have to be preloaded to get a few teeth on the gear? I have the motor and regulator inside the door and mounted with the teeth off the edge so to speak, but they wont grab, even with a lttle pressure.  I've realized that I am doing it wrong and would love to hear from someone who has done it so maybe I will only have to do it once more. The bracket in the pic has me a little confused, I know where and how it goes back on and I assume it is to prevent the regulator from going too far, bit I'm not sure at which step it goes back in. Any help would be fantastic. Thanks!



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I have had these pieces in and out of my 67 2+2 and don't remember having much trouble. I did use the other side as my visual cue for assembly. If I were you I would pull the panel off the other side and check it there.

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I reluctantly did that before I went looking for help online. It will be worth it I imagine.  I did some searching and it looks like the spring is some under tension even in the up postion. I am going to have to remove it all again, and of course its wired without a plug. (sigh). For now, it seems that the motor MUST be mounted to the regulator outside the door, but I couldnt fit it out together, maybe there is a way.  Tks!

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I was able to remove the assembly through one of the openings. My problem was the scissors separating at one of the rivets. This occured in 2004 I think, so the oldtimers disease keeps the memories vague.

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Are you saying you took the motor out and left the regulator in?

If so, I would say you are fortunate you did not get hurt. That spring has a fair bit of tension on it even when the window is all the way up. It must have given a bit of a lurch when you pulled the motor off. I have never tried but I am guessing it will be difficult or next to impossible to get the motor back on with the regulator still in there. Best would be to remove it to reassemble.

I have sometimes drilled holes or used existing holes and put a very strong bolt in there to hold the regulator in place to bolt the motor back on, if you know what I mean.

There has to be a way for the regulator to come out as a unit with the motor. It was put in that way at the factory. It may be all the way up, part way down or all the way down. Some of the ones I have done require having some of the channels out of there or at least loosened and pushed off to the side.  Usually moving the regulator all the way back, kind of up above the wheel tub and then snaking it out pulling forward will work, but each one is unique in shape.

I hope this helps...

-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Tuesday 11th of May 2010 12:27:58 PM

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If you need a spare plug, I think I may have one. If you are in no hurry let me know and I could mail it to you.

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Oh, and those terminals are removeable from that plastic piece. They are a bit hard to find but I know at least NAPA has them.

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The regulator arm must be pulled into a position where the motor gear can be meshed with the arm gear. It will not ride the arm gear into mesh. The arm gear does not have the gear cut out to the ends of the arc. This way the gear travel is regulated up and down.

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I had the motor/regulator assembly loose in the door but couldnt get it out of any opening. I didnt notice any tension release when the motor came apart from the regulator(the reg wasnt attached to anything) I only did it to get it out. The terminals are broken off level with the motor, the remainder is encased in plastic still, and are rigged with terminals of my own.  Thank you very much for the plug offer though.

    I'll pull it out and see if I can get it in assembled. Thanks for the tips, I think I know what needs to happen next, and I'm glad I didnt lose any fingers. A valuable lesson learned today.

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Now I understand. Your terminals are broken off on the motor. That sucks. If you have it repaired, you may find that to be very temporary. You may need to replace the motor. They are quite common from the 60's and early 70's. If you decide you want to change it I can get the interchange info for you.

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 When I did the windows in my Rag, the rear windows had the same problem. Luckily, there was enough terminal left there for me to solder a wire onto it. I believe the drivers window in my coupe has the same thing done to it.

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I managed to solder wires to the terminal stubs. As Carl said, I wouldnt be surprised if it didnt last. I will do some homework and get myself a new motor, but for now I'll see if I can get it back together. The mission was to get the roof rail weatherstrip in, so at least that is done. I like progress!



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OK, turns out that the assembly fits in and out at the halfway point.  That is also the point where two 5/8" hole line up, I assume they are there for securing for assembly when needed.  It seems so damn easy once you know how. A combination on advice from Carl, Mark, and Rick did the trick. Thanks!  (was hoping to clean and grease, but my sons friend did a bearing job in my driveway a couple of days ago, and now I dont own grease unless I want to recycle the stuff he left on my tools that I found in the grass   ;)

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Back in business....tks CP dudes



-- Edited by Turn2Stone on Thursday 13th of May 2010 11:39:05 AM

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