Holy Grail - But with bad rust

HonestDave · Addicted!

RE: Holy Grail - But with bad rust

deleted · Guru

yes that is a early 70's cassett player. Wonder if he changed the shifter ball, my buddy's 69 Impala had a chrome ball on the Muncie handle. Neat car, hope " that someday " happens soon and it gets restored.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Here's a photo of the shifter on a low mile (30-something thousand) 69 427 2+2. It could have also been changed.

Here's another 2+2 with low miles. It has a chrome ball. Which is original?

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deleted · Guru

....ahhh yes, the chrome ball / muncie is what my buddy's 69 Impala had and his car was bone stock when he bought it off the GM used car lot. The white ball one, the shifter doesn't even look right, it goes too far ahead and is high up, probably was all changed.

HonestDave · Addicted!

Man, it's easy to fall in love with these big old Pontiacs, isn't it?
I'm getting that itchy feeling I get when I'm ready to buy something !!

Too bad I'm stuck working on this 01 Civic, then back to work on the 65 Olds, then finally on to the 62 Parisiennes.
I'm starting to wish I hadn't sold my 80 Trans Am 4 speed car a year or so ago. It was way too new for my liking, but was still a 4 speed, at least.
All these pictures have got my mind working overtime. I'd better get outside and grind some trunk metal.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Canadian Poncho wrote:

Here's a photo of the shifter on a low mile (30-something thousand) 69 427 2+2. It could have also been changed.
Here's another 2+2 with low miles. It has a chrome ball. Which is original?

I vote for the chrome ball like the black interior has. I'm fairly sure that is correct.

davepl · Poncho Master!

I think the shiftter handle looks right. The angle depends on what gear it's in. But you can see all the factory cover plate mechanism is all still there. If someone had ripped it out and put a Hurst in at some point I'd think that'd be gone too.

Still the least of my worries. At some point, if/when I go to look at it, I'm going to have to photo-document my own and then ask around here to make a list of the hard-to-find parts to make sure they're there. In the photos I could see the rally caps, rad, shroud, air cleaner, and a bunch of stuff like that. Clearly the console and buckets and so on are there. I have an NOS aluminum dash insert, and have a heater control laser-cut repop.

Unsurprisingly, that interior looks a whole lot like my black interior 2+2 (below)

-- Edited by davepl on Saturday 8th of March 2014 02:26:55 PM

Howmac · Guru

That shifter handle is correct , but the ball is not . The correct ball is chrome for console applications , and you can still find them out there .

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

Carl Stevenson wrote:

Here's another 2+2 with low miles. It has a chrome ball. Which is original?

I vote for the chrome ball like the black interior has. I'm fairly sure that is correct.

Most console cars had chrome ball and the shift pattern on the console no console the patterns on the shifter ball

HonestDave · Addicted!

It just came to me, by an odd coincidence, a fellow I have coffee with a couple times a week still has the 69 2+2 console from the car he crashed about 15 years ago. I was looking at it last year along with a couple other consoles he's got squirled away. He said he put the engine in his tow truck and saved the console and shifter. Who would've thought? Just an automatic, so it's not special, but somewhat interesting :)

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Theres supposed to be a 427 2+2 69 around my area, I've talked to the owners wife, left my Number ... asked her to invite me out for show and tell....but no luck. He is extremely private....

Howmac · Guru

Here is a recent eBay lisitng for the correct console chrome ball

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-72-CAMARO-FIREBIRD-CHEVELLE-GM-NOS-5-16-MUNCIE-SHIFTER-KNOB-3922525-HURST-/400501529206?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5d3fc05a76&vxp=mtr

CdnGMfan · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

re: the 69, it would have come with the chrome ball for sure. A non-console car would have come with a black shift ball with a white embossed shift map and it would have set in a small egg cup-type base screwed into the top of the shift lever. 1967 was tha last year for the white shift ball before switching to black for 68.

seventy2plus2 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Any further news on this one?

mr57 · Veteran Member

rabbit64cs wrote:
Theres supposed to be a 427 2+2 69 around my area, I've talked to the owners wife, left my Number ... asked her to invite me out for show and tell....but no luck. He is extremely private....

Depending on what part of Saskatchewan you live in, there might even be TWO of them stashed away.... :)

rabbit64cs · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

the one I've heard about is within an hour of PA...

still trying to get the tourvery private person ..

Willshire · Newbie

Catalina is the base of the 2+2. Nice repop stuff from PY and Ames. Who's going to the Pontiac Nats in Norwalk? It's a Pontiac! Put a Pontiac Motor in it! LMAO

Greaser · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Willshire wrote:
Catalina is the base of the 2+2. Nice repop stuff from PY and Ames. Who's going to the Pontiac Nats in Norwalk? It's a Pontiac! Put a Pontiac Motor in it! LMAO

Canadian Pontiac or American Pontiac?

My 63 Parisienne has a Pontiac motor........it says so right on there on the valve covers,and was built in Canada and sold in a Canadian Pontiac dealership.

That makes it a Canadian Pontiac.

Call 'em like they build them.

-- Edited by Greaser on Thursday 31st of July 2014 01:05:13 PM

Big Bear · Addicted!

My brother solved that Pontiac 327 sticker on valve cover problem by installing a 389 Pontiac and adding some GP/Bonni trim.

Big Bear · Addicted!

One of the 12 427-4speed 2+2s was at Norwalk last weekend. Met Pontorquer from Winnepeg there along with many more Canadian friends.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

We featured that white 2+2 a few years ago. My favorite 2+2!

HonestDave · Addicted!

What ever happened to the Holy Grail with rust? Did someone finally buy it, or has it faded into obscurity?

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Good question, his last login is July 11th.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

He's a very intermittent poster. He usually only comes on here when he's found something cool.

davepl · Poncho Master!

I've never heard back. I ping him every six months or so. He was supposed to get me the VIN and cowl tag data, but never got back to me. He's nice enough but in no way motivated to sell.

Part of the problem is that he says they restored the chassis and rebuilt the engine; he no doubt wants to recoup all those costs, even though I'd be uncomfortable buying someone else's 10-year-old rebuild. Sort of the backwards order unless you're really going to finish the body.

What I really need is a good rust-free Parisienne convertible parts car (or the low mile driver red '69 2+2 ragtop I sold for $6500, duh) because from his description I don't know how much, if any, of the body is salvageable.

I guess it's time to bug him again, but it's probably snowed in by now!

In other news, the white 2+2 above appears to be the dentist's car, but it was unrestored. Did someone buff it out or restore it, or is it still his? Looks a lot tidier than I remember.