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Hey guys,

 

 I just decided to take the plunge and purchase a mig welder/plasma cutter combo either from Harbor Freight tools or Eastwood. I'm new to welding though do watch my buddy perform fabrication work at his shop on rat rods and mustangs (or ruststangs in his words). I asked him if I could pay him to install new floor pans in my '65 Impala and the common rear window rust area. His answer..."you've seen and helped me replace a lot of floor pans & patches, don't be a @#$ssy and do it your damn self!". Keep in mind he's a 74 year old Norwegian 6'4" grumpy guy that doesn't take crap from anyone though took me under his wing since I was a teenager as his son he & his wife never had. He taught me a lot and he wants me to learn on my own. Anyhow he uses this huge prehistoric 320 gas fed welder though told me for beginners use a 110 or 220 mig welder with gas. Also invest in a plasma cutter to boot. I've been practicing in his shop with metal with tac welds spaced apart to prevent warping etc. I figure I want to practice all this year and start on my '65 end of summer on the floor pans only (my friend will do the rear window area). What are your guys thoughts for sheet metal welders? Would a 110 mig welder be good enough? Once I master the floors, next are the rust prone rear body mount braces on my '63 SS Impala. Thanks.



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A 110 is perfect for floor pans. I've done a few pans. I don't have the skill to do quarter panels etc but pans are great because a little bit of warpage won't be noticed by anyone but you. Go for it!

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I still have a Hobart Handler I keep around and it works great for automotive bodywork. I won't get rid of it because it's portable, plugs into 110v, and trouble free so far - 12 years old and used hard. If one of my friends who only has a vise grip and adjustable wrench needs help, I can bring it over their empty garage and still use it. Many cases of beer gathered this way.

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Buy a lincoln from canadian tire....migpak . 120 or 240 volt... Go 240 if you have the voltage in your shop. I have a Eastwood plasma 60.. No complaints..consumables are reasonably priced.

Eastwood puts a package deal on for the two.. I'd have no worries about either..as I'm happy with my plasma from them.

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How much money do you have to spend? Ive had all sorts of welders . If this is your only one And first kick at the cat.

Keep it small maybe 125 amp but 220 gives you the option of burning 0.35 wire for some more substantial welds when you need to.

Use gas for sure.  Flux core  makes a mess.it has its place but not on body panels. If you are buying a smaller unit  it should come with a nice

small gun to get into tight corners. My first welder I ever bought was a 220 v 150 amp it had a big ugly 400 amp gun on it .I thought I was a terrible welder.

I got a smaller proper sized gun and I looked like a hero. I would stick to brand names Lincoln ,  miller  because in a year or two when you need consumables

you will be able to buy them off the shelf. 

Thought id share my 27 cents

We run Lincoln migs and Hypertherm plasma units. and we have a bunch of Miller inverter  stick welders . I think I still have a Miller plasma in a box some ware.

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-- Edited by markus on Sunday 21st of December 2014 12:05:51 AM

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The thing I like about my little 110 vs. the 220 (for doing floor pans) is the nice lightweight gun. We have a 220 at work and that gun is big and heavy.

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All the brand name welders are great,just depends on what colour you like. Red(lincoln) blue (miller) gray (hobart)kinda like ford, chev, dodge, they all use the same technology. Todays welders have smart-link which means you can run the same machine on 110volts or 220 volts. Mostly depends on budget for what your going to get but the average up here is 9-1200 for a good machine. If your on a tight budget buy a used one as long as it is brand name, in 20 years of selling welders only ever had 2 Lincoln and 1 miller portables come back because of a PC board problem. Most popular welder we sell today if in your budget is the Millermatic 211 with auto-set. With these welders you'll look like a pro after an hour, their just a great user friendly machine. If looking into plasma, like Mark says Hypotherm great machines. Trick with plasma is clean air. The cleaner the air the longer your consumables will last.

 

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Harbor Freight cheap mig unit is not very user friendly for a beginner, especially using flux core wire...hard to learn new skills, fighting a machine. IMO, you might as well buy a Hobart over an Eastwood China welder.

Invest in either a blue/red/gray machine and to do professional metal work, a plasma is not really necessary...a few air tools, money better spent.

- study this excellent Patch Panels-Installation video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUehclZVeIs

- proper welding technique with proper penetration @ 7.38 minutes...note, water cooled welds cause more distortion & hardening the weld zone (so avoid)

I've never used a harbor freight welder but here are the down sides to a cheaper welder.
1. Poor volt/amp control
2. inconsistent bead
3. low duty cycle
4. poor reliability.
5. lots of slag/splatter from flux core

I have a Millermatic 150 (220V) I bought 20 years ago...quality machine.
The older units are huge, heavy, and utterly bulletproof machine, with little to no complex electronics to mess up.
Used - if you can find a Millermatic 135, snatch it up.

If I was buying again:
a) Hobart 140 or 180 <------- division of Miller & rebranded unit (good warranty, with great support), I've heard drive rolls are plastic
b) Lincoln 180 or their dual voltage machine
c) Miller 180 or 211 (dual voltage machine)

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  • 9 - 13 variable shades with 1/25,000 second switch time
  • Helmet will auto darken when welding with as low as 2 amps
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-- Edited by Beaumont67SD on Sunday 21st of December 2014 08:38:25 AM

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Here's what I use for body work and light fab work...was $600 on sale at  CT..

240 volt..

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Anyone ever hear of the Multiplaz ?

Seen articles and ads about it, but is it as good as the claims? http://www.multiplaz.com/about

There has to be a downside to this product........

"Multiplaz is the only company worldwide that holds a Patent for this unique welding technology by use of a water-alcohol solution instead of shielding gas. It is the first company to utilize ordinary tap water for heating materials by turning the water into plasma 14400°F (8000°C).

Worldwide, Multiplaz 3500 is the only welder with such a broad range of applications.

Multiplaz 3500 can weld, solder, braze, harden, and cleanse metals including steel, aluminum, copper, cast iron, bronze and other metals.

Multiplaz 3500 can cut any metal, including high-alloy and stainless steel that can not be cut with oxygen cutting. Cutting ceramic tiles, quartz glass, bricks, concrete and other non-flammable materials is another unique feature of the Multiplaz 3500.

Multiplaz 3500 can replace a variety of different tools: welding machine, gas torch, plazma cutter, nibble shears and scissors, industrial drying fan, electric jig saw, blow lamp, inverter welder just to name a few"



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