?? On LS engines in Ont.

GrtDanes · Poncho Master!

?? On LS engines in Ont.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

My understanding of the legislation is HELL YES !

68post · Poncho Master!

I don't know the Ont. rules, but I think the emissions testing is based on the year of the engine. I wouldn't really sweat running cats, they don't take up much room and you can still make gobs of power. biggrin

dualquadpete · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

If your using a "used" engine then it "has' to "EVERYTHING" that came with that year of engine for what it was in, if you buy a "NEW" crate engine from GM then NO GO FIGURE!!!!

GrtDanes · Poncho Master!

So if I buy a new LS im good to go except the 8's for 1.Sounds like a deal to me.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Here in PEI cats are not required on vehicles older than 1989. Move out here. There's still lots of room!

GrtDanes · Poncho Master!

But didn't somebody buy that house next door Todd?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Yes. I met the new neighbors last weekend. Nice folk

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

GrtDanes wrote:
So if I buy a new LS im good to go except the 8's for 1.Sounds like a deal to me.

I would check the regulation myself, I disagree with Pete's interpretation. Regulation 361/98 Environmental Protection Act.

The Act takes the position that a crate engine is not intended to be roadworthy in which case no emission equipment is needed. If it is to be used on the road then it becomes a different story imo.

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

IF I put a sweet running LS in my car I would defintely add Fast Cats that allows for O2 sensors Easy peazy

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

427carl wrote:

IF I put a sweet running LS in my car

DON'T YOU DARE!!!!!

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

I know wheres there a 8.1 496 cu in

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Sorry, all this emissions testing etc is foreign to me. Do they do annual tests, or random roadside tests, or how is this enforced? I think I've seen the answer to this here when it was discussed in the past but I don't recall.

Is it the cost or the hassle that makes you not want to do the cats on to make it legal?

GrtDanes · Poncho Master!

Carl Stevenson wrote:
Sorry, all this emissions testing etc is foreign to me. Do they do annual tests, or random roadside tests, or how is this enforced? I think I've seen the answer to this here when it was discussed in the past but I don't recall.

Is it the cost or the hassle that makes you not want to do the cats on to make it legal?

I just think if a car never came with all this crap,you shouldn't have to put it on now.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

Agreed. A stock LS without cats probably runs cleaner than the original engine ever would.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

Canadian Poncho wrote:
Here in PEI cats are not required on vehicles older than 1989. Move out here. There's still lots of room!

Dogs aren't even required on vehicles here ... I don't think anything is really required biggrin All you need to know is someone who inspects cars really well.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

This is from my own "For What its worth File". We all know it is a indisputable fact that an internal combustion engine emits dangerous pollutants to the atmosphere, that's a fact.

Logic dictates that the more internal combustion engine there are then the more dangerous pollutants being emitted into the atmosphere.

Vehicle registration in PEI = 111,425

Vehicle registration in MB = 1,069,024

Vehicle registration in Ontario = 11,263,085

GrtDanes · Poncho Master!

73SC wrote:
This is from my own "For What its worth File". We all know it is a indisputable fact that an internal combustion engine emits dangerous pollutants to the atmosphere, that's a fact.
Logic dictates that the more internal combustion engine there are then the more dangerous pollutants being emitted into the atmosphere.

Vehicle registration in PEI = 111,425

Vehicle registration in MB = 1,069,024

Vehicle registration in Ontario = 11,263,085

Hell you ever drive through Hamilton when Stelco goes full blowen,you cant see nothing.And outta your 11,263,085 cars how many before 1988 should we be so

worried about that comes outta them?:beer1:

hawkeye5766 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Could you go dual ownership and register out of province with someone you trust? Maybe a relative? or just remove cats after passes.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

73SC wrote:
Vehicle registration in PEI = 111,425

... and there is only a population of 137,000 people on PEI.

Factor in how many vehicles on PEI roads aren't even registered (I know there are many of them).

427carl · A Poncho Legend!

GrtDanes wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:
Sorry, all this emissions testing etc is foreign to me. Do they do annual tests, or random roadside tests, or how is this enforced? I think I've seen the answer to this here when it was discussed in the past but I don't recall.

Is it the cost or the hassle that makes you not want to do the cats on to make it legal?
I just think if a car never came with all this crap,you shouldn't have to put it on now.

You don't have to just put a old 60's engine in it and your good to go

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

I don't understand your post Ray. Why should an old car with a newer motor have to have pollution controls? I agree that new cars that are driven several thousand KM's a year should have them but I don't understand the MOE's logic about older cars having to have the pollution controls that came on the newer engine.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

Canadian Poncho wrote:
I agree that new cars that are driven several thousand KM's a year should have them but I don't understand the MOE's logic about older cars having to have the pollution controls that came on the newer engine.

That makes too much sense. Old cars that get driven maybe 5000 kms a year. confuse

hawkeye5766 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

So in other words we can put in an old worn out "stock" motor that smokes like an SOB and that's OK, but put in a 2000 LS with o2 sensors without cats that put out 1/10th the emissions of original motor but may not pass testing? Yup makes a lot of sense! I would think that as long as the motor met or surpassed orig equipment they would be happy?

-- Edited by hawkeye5766 on Saturday 31st of January 2015 08:13:14 PM

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Canadian Poncho wrote:
I don't understand your post Ray. Why should an old car with a newer motor have to have pollution controls? I agree that new cars that are driven several thousand KM's a year should have them but I don't understand the MOE's logic about older cars having to have the pollution controls that came on the newer engine.

The Statistics show that Pollution from internal combustion powered vehicles is a serious problem in Ontario and maybe not an issue in PEI. I understand the logic, the engine is what pollutes so the engine with its equipment installed should conform to the standards in place for the year when the engine was manufactured. Making exceptions for this or that is a slippery slope.