ive looked but don't think that they exist, my have to be a special order thing

He sent me a picture of the blank and it looks great.

$225 US though, plus $43 US to ship it USPS.

Could be Jim Clemens out of Rockridge Florida
I know he does protect-o-plates

What is the purpose of those tags?  To replace lost ones?

What info is on the cowl tag?

Just curious as I dabble in the Mopar side of the hobby and there has been quite a bit of discussion over these reproduction tags - often when somebody changes the tag to reflect changes they made to their car which affects the value.

My car came with the tag missing.

I bought it from the estate of the original owner.

I have no reason not to believe them, when they told me that the tag, went in her coffin as one of the symbols of what she loved.

She won this car in 1969 and was very proud of that.

Almost every time that hood opens, I am reminded of the missing tag.

A recreation tag would always be a recreation and presented as such.

The tag isn't bad.

It's how you use it.

I dont think the cowl tags should be touched, to me its a red flag. Basically you can take an average car, do mods to it, change the tag, and now you have a car that could be passed off as an actual rare car, with increased value. Am I missing something here?

-- Edited by 1966-Grande-paris on Thursday 20th of September 2018 04:19:07 PM

Fakes are easily dispelled on Canadian Chevrolets like mine because the info pertinent to the tag was kept on record and is available from GM Canada unlike with US builds
My mustang couldn't turn into a 428 Super Cobra Jet either because any buyer wants the Marti report and Kevin has exclusive license to the Ford production database

Just to be clear, I'm not questioning your ethics, Carl.  I know you are just wanting to have a little fun with your conversion.

I was just throwing the idea out there as it is a real thing that happens in the hobby.  A buyer has to be aware when they are buying anything, as fake documentation can be made relatively easily by anybody with a computer and a bit of time.  I've even heard of people "aging" the paper that the documentation is printed on in order to deceive.  They are preying on the person who wants to get into the hobby but doesn't know much about it or how to do their own research.  

Rebodying is another hotly debated topic that I've seen come up from time to time.  Caveat Emptor.

Save your money.

What... You don't think guys aren't faking GM Canada docs too ??
If you're looking at a high dollar car you must do your homework. I was recently involved in de-bunking a #'s LS-6 Chevelle. Current owner had no idea and didn't care but had a long lineup of buyers. Internet searches can turn up a lot of surprising history.

One thing that occurs to me, though, is that when somebody is looking at buying a car it's often a quick deal - offer to buy, acceptance of the offer, pay for it, pick it up and off you go.  I'm wondering how many people would want to take the time to confirm with GM historical or be would be able to get the docs back before the deal goes sour and the seller sells to the next guy in line.

Also, how many people are aware of the service?  I know I hadn't heard of it before I started reading this forum.

I'm thinking in many cases they would buy the car based on the 'documentation' provided by the seller, and then find out after the fact that it's fake.  The problem that this brings about is that legal proceedings are expensive and time consuming, with no guarantee of success or recouping lost money - so once the new owner has invested heavily in the vehicle they may not have the resources or willingness to follow up legally.  I think this increases the temptation to perpetuate the myth and continuing to pass the vehicle off as real to avoid losing a bundle when it's sold.  Or, maybe the person never does the research and the car passes through a number of buyers without being discovered - after it's gone through a few hands the paper trail can be very hard to dig up.

The case of the 2 Vettes with identical VINs that was posted here recently comes to mind, which was helped along by government agencies who didn't share information in past times.

But, as mentioned - buyer beware.  I know for a fact that Carl is one of the most honest, well-meaning individuals you will ever find within the hobby and would never misrepresent his car, but again just bringing up the point for discussion.  I do think the discussion is an important one so that everybody can be aware of what could happen in purchasing a vehicle.  Lots of would-be scammers out there.

I've told this story before about my Grand National but there may be some newbies who haven't heard it.

In 1991 I bought a beautiful 87 GN, 18,975 km on it. One issue, it was T-boned by a city transit bus and written off.

In those days, Manitoba kept zero records of writeoffs. I bought the car and fixed it and drove it sparingly from 1992 for 8 years. In 1995 Manitoba started a new system and any vehicles written off were documented and the paperwork was "branded" for the life of the vehicle until it was scrapped for good.

The car was beautiful. I knew the day would come when we would sell it and I knew there would be issues. I knew the car was a write off, I told anyone who cared it had been a write off but the paperwork didn't reflect any issues because the accident occurred before the car was "branded". We have government insurance in Manitoba. I called them, told them the deal and told them I wanted them to brand the title for the car because of its desirability/collectability but they refused. I was very persistent telling them there would be a fraudulent transaction involving that car, guaranteed. No dice, they refused.

In 2000, at about 40,000 km I traded it to a small used car lot in Winnipeg. You can guess what happened next. I started getting calls because the Grand National community is tight knit. The car was sold through an auction, NO disclosure by the dealer I traded it to...... People recognized the car because it had a couple of somewhat unique features.

I had at least 4 different calls asking me about the details. Finally, someone did buy it with full knowledge and last I heard it was in Calgary. If anyone out there sees an 87 GN with the last 3 of the VIN being 321 I'd love to know how it's doing.

And that is why if I do this tag, I will destroy it if the car ever leaves my possession. If it's not my car any more, I'm not fielding all kinds of calls with questions about it and not going to be part of an attempt to defraud someone.