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I agree, Carl, it should be the case.  I don't know how quickly the turnaround is, or how well-known it is within the hobby in general, so maybe it's no issue at all in Canada.  Like you say, hopefully most who will be investing in high dollar cars will be aware, and for somebody buying a $4000 Acadian or whatever, the paper trail will be less important.

Too bad about your friend - hopefully he was still able to enjoy the car after taking the loss.



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hey Carl, as far as 65s go listing options on the tags is hit and miss, the wagon has nothing not even the tranny, but it lists power back window, the interior code is not right because it was cloth not vinyl, could have been added or ordered , im not worried because I know the car, and been doing this long enough to spot a fake



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from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag



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also did I hear usa tag and Canadian tags differ as in one is stainless and the other aluminum ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag





I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.

I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.

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If it were me I wouldn't worry about whether it's correct, I'd have some fun with it - with something like "427 Race Special" or whatever... make 'em scratch their heads when they look at the tag! :)

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I actually thought of stamping it as a "COPO" and then the engine option and trans option...

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Keep in mind the tag vendors indicate they won't participate in a fraud. Don't get too carried away or they'll want to see some documentation.



-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Saturday 22nd of September 2018 04:36:53 PM

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I think fixing a "write off" 1987 Grand National properly is a different ball game from all the new unibody frameless cars made today. Hard to be sure a fixed unibody is "as new" and if it has a weak spot, it may not show up until the next accident.

I feel the same way about flood cars, if my 63 was flooded, it has such little wiring and no sensors, you can actually fix it. A modern car cannot be fixed with all the electronics attached to everything.

Carl, I wouldn't bother changing the trim tag, so few people will have the knowledge to pick up the difference and it would be nice to meet people who actually knew the difference.

I'd be more likely to put a different trim tag on mine which has 409 and ST10 on it, just to make my car "correct".

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Carl Stevenson wrote:
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from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag



 



I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.

I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.


 mine has the hole in the floor and no tranny or engine designation, one offs or low production cars seem to follow that pattern



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Carl Stevenson wrote:
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from Canadian cars I have owned, 1966 full size tranny only on cowl tag no engine size yet on my 66 Beaumont tranny and engine size if big block is on tag



 



I've noticed that too. The M20 makes sense because of the hole in the floor.

I can't figure out why the engine designation shows on the Beaumonts and not on the full size. There's no modifications on either one of the body styles to install a big block that I can think of. The engine mount stands on the frame on the Beaumont are different than small block, whereas on the B body they are the same, big block or small block from what I know. But that's not a modification, that's just a simple bolt on part.


 mine has the hole in the floor and no tranny or engine designation, one offs or low production cars seem to follow that pattern





No M20 on your tag?

Interesting. I've contacted 2 guys with original big block 66 4 speed cars and both guys say tag says M20.

Just another reason that 66 Pontiacs are superior to 65 Pontiacs... biggrin

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No M20 on your tag?

Interesting. I've contacted 2 guys with original big block 66 4 speed cars and both guys say tag says M20.

Just another reason that 66 Pontiacs are superior to 65 Pontiacs... biggrin


I am not familiar with the car of 65 wagon's or even exactly what it is, but from what Fred (68sd) taught me when researching all the B body data tags I collected for him to post, the general synopsis was that if there was no "M" RPO code (M35, 38 40 or M20) stamped in the tag, it would be a 3-on-the-tree car.... unless proven, that should be the answer here....

I tried to find a pic of that '64 Impala 4-speed wagon that had M20 stamped into the tag that I personally took but it escapes me at the moment..... so we know that '64's did stamp M20 in the tag so '65 and up would carry over.


Found them...

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And my car backs up Fred's theory, 3 on the tree car, cowl tag is bare for options.

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Well? Another theory shot to heck... This was bugging me so I decided to look at my '66 Strato, my '66 Laurentian Safari, and I have the remanence of a '65 Parisienne Safari here as well. The Strato is a three speed but the others are powerglide cars and likely 283's..  looks like I learned something new again today... the only thing than the M20, I do remember posting a '66 Caprice with M40... I will have to be more aware.

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So much for that theory.... Weird. But I guess a Powerglide didn't require any body modification so that's why it's not there. M40 TH400 and M20 4 speed would both require modification to make them fit, so maybe only those 2 show up on the tag.

And on a slightly different vein, I guess it would seem then that 69 for the engine on the tag in full size, 66 for the engine on the tag in Beaumont. That is assuming they have an optional engine.

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