69 Strato Chief on kijiji Toronto

cdnpont · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

RE: 69 Strato Chief on kijiji Toronto

Bill shuba · Guru

lol it hasn't got louvers I checked lol not desperate would be nice to have them but will sell without

NOS · Poncho Master!

the trunk floor still looks pretty solid. No evidence of repair and the critical area is shown..

Dale @ NOS

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

It could be a diamond in the rough, hard to tell from the pics.

Seems paint is the biggest expense in old cars these days, but are cheaper alternatives still available? The reason I ask is that it seems everybody is spending $10,000 on materials for the latest base-clear flip flop metallic pearl super duper trick paint job these days... but can you still get basic single stage acrylic enamel? Like they did back in the day? I would think that anybody wanting to do an old 4 door would want a more authentic paint job anyhow, since it most likely won't be a hot rod, so would there be a cost benefit in single stage paint that would make a project like this more attractive since you will never sell it for $30,000 after the fact?

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

norontcan wrote:
keeps dropping now $1800
www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/city-of-toronto/1969-pontiac-strato-chief-44-000-org-miles-1800/1408730560

The price is dropping like our temperatures. Motivated seller ... I wonder what the "want it gone" price is?

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

It's almost worth considering to me at this point. I may have to give him a call. Deciding factor would be the cost to ship a non-runner to PEI.

65Camino · Uber Guru

Canadian Poncho wrote:
It's almost worth considering to me at this point. I may have to give him a call. Deciding factor would be the cost to ship a non-runner to PEI.

Why think about it ? Call him.

norontcan · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

No harm in making a call.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

After careful consideration I'm going to pass on this one.

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

MC wrote:
Seems paint is the biggest expense in old cars these days, but are cheaper alternatives still available? The reason I ask is that it seems everybody is spending $10,000 on materials for the latest base-clear flip flop metallic pearl super duper trick paint job these days... but can you still get basic single stage acrylic enamel? Like they did back in the day?

Does anybody have any insight regarding my question above?

ABC123 · Uber Guru

I did ask the shop that is planning to repair my car.

They said the paint can still be ordered but the paint sprays differently then what most shops are experience with.

In short words.

"Get an old guy to do it"

And that's the biggest reason I'm still searching for a shop to repair my car.

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Interesting... did they mention a cost difference? I imagine the conversation didn't get that far...

Bill shuba · Guru

single stage in the old days was mostly laquer Based ..the new acrylic is water bourne stuff still needing a hardner ,,I still can get enamel and it also needs a hardner and reducer use it all the time stinky and can be a pain buts looks great heres a car I owned and did a yr and a bit ago all strips are also paint really enjoy painting ..cant wait till spring and painting the 64

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MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I remember about 20 years ago a lot of guys I knew were using acrylic enamel (what they called it). They didn't want to use lacquers because they had a tendency to chip off easier. This was before base/clear really took off for old cars.

Maybe that's what you're talking about? I'm not a body guy so I won't pretend to know what I'm talking about...

What is the difference in cost? My main reason for asking is that I wonder if it's a cheaper alternative for people that may want to get a less-popular car (like a 4 door) painted but don't want to lose their shirt over it if they have to sell it.

Bill shuba · Guru

I get that..no matter how good a fellow thinks the paint on his car is someone always finds a issue with it..Thats why I only paint my cars now if it looks good enough for me they say Iam kinda anal lol and I get some thumbs up dont care what the guys "[ most dont have a paint job on thier cars }Say !! Acrylic is just a fancey word for water base,,go to any house paint store and ask for acrylic paint and see what it can be thined or cleaned out with { brushes +rollers} ect with the laws now its really hard to get anything not made of water..Vancouver I here its impossible..so far my buddy is helping me get enamel , the metalic isn"t as fine now but so far so good..before things get to the point I won't be able to get any I am going to get a truck full..BUT the latex ok Acrylic paints now are easyier on the painter,easyier to sand and drys faster than the enamel which is the prob with enamel when your a back yard painter..so for what reasons is it more expensive useing acrylic ?? ? I have no Idea it should be alot cheaper IMHO ALL things have gone up !! auto body shops have to use it now and get used to it..and its a new process envioment laws LOL As you can tell its kinda a sore spot lol

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Bill shuba · Guru

Now that Iam done with my little rant,,lol I am not at all blaming the auto body shop for thier prices go buy some house paint acrylic enamel they call it they use the word enamel to trick you in thinking your getting the old oil based paint you always have oil modifide they call it now anyways lol a gallon you used to pay 20 bucks for is now 75 Why ??? so the shops prices have to be what they must be ..useing the old enamel paint is alot harder ..if I could get the acrylic base and clear for the same price as what the enamel is I would use the new..wont be so hard smell wise and would love the faster drying time.cars used to be in the hot dryer for hrs .the new young painters have it good,,! they would have a very hard time useing the old...

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MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

So is it vastly cheaper than base/clear for materials? I would imagine that there is more labour in base/clear due to the extra prep involved.

What I would really like to know is what would be the equivalent cost to paint... say... a '69 full size Pontiac in single stage vs base clear? Is there a significant difference?

I've always wanted to paint my own car, but it won't happen likely, as I don't have a place to do it.

Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

If one didn't care about matching the factory colour there is Duplicolor's Paint Shop Finish System that has quite a few nice colours. It's a lacquer so touch ups/repairs should be easy peasy.

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This Strato Chief would lend itself perfectly for such a paint.

dcneric · Poncho Master!

My 78 square body project is getting the dark green from duplicolor. Sprays easy, doesn't not have the same gloss that you get from even a basic base/clear coat from someone like PPG or even Sherman paints.

Bill shuba · Guru

The prep work is all the same once its ready for paint its ready base coat is a flat !! like primer can't really go wrong get a run it sands out really good,,the clear coat makes the flat base shine now this step is something that takes time to learn ,gotta know what to look for ,,to thin and wont shine,to thick and theres orange peel and or runs,,practice practice...dupli color has a lower sheen as Eric said and can look like a dry fog paint job no matter what you do,...MC some of my best paint jobs I have done outside early in the year no bugs and very little stuff flying around,,the car above was done outside back yard as will be my 64..yep not perfect at times but presentable and non expensive

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Canadian Poncho · A Poncho Legend!

The Duplicolor system will still look flat, even with the clear coat?

Bill shuba · Guru

if your going to acrylc clear over lacquer or enamel you need to sand it first,,if its metalic gotta be carefull not to sand to much or it will look blochy ..use too light of sand paper and you basically polish the paint and the clear has nothing to hold it on..as you see many clear coat jobs peeling off. IF you use the same product dupl color clear its a lacquar base also but the sheen is still not as shinny as it should and so nothing is gained by doing so .clear coat they make now shouldn't be put over enamel or lacquer IMHO

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Bill shuba · Guru

oh its VERY important to know NOT to spray a lacquer based clear over the new acylic or enamel based paints it will eat it and wrinkle always stay with the same products lacquer can and should be buffed and polished after its CURED to get any kind of shine buts thats a art by its self

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65Camino · Uber Guru

Can someone start a new post just about paint. Not here.

Bill shuba · Guru

lol yes kinda my fault I can talk paint forever one of if not the most interesting things I like to do with my hobby ..
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