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F41 front bar, bracket question


I probably already know the answer, but are the B, F41 big front bar brackets the same as the smaller bar?

Yes, all good....If no, does anyone have an old pair of bigger ones?

 

Also, is the bigger bushing a readily available part?

 

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Yes.

Not needed.

Yes and no.

How's that for detailed answers!

So the brackets are the same for either bar according to the parts book and from what I recall when I've put on bigger bars I've never changed brackets.

The bushings are 3943084 from GM, long discontinued. You can find them NOS from time to time but they usually get a good buck. The aftermarket makes the bushing but they don't mold that ridge into the bushing that fits into the groove on the bracket so I suspect they will slowly slide out the side of the bracket. I welded little tabs on the sides of the brackets to prevent that on one of the big bars I installed.

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The brackets are the same regardless of sway bar diameter. The bushings are different.
Moog K5227 for 13/16" bar - readily available,
Moog K8258 for 15/16" bar - difficult to find, but occasionally pop up on eBay.

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What Clint said.

I did manage to find an NOS Moog 8258 on E Bay $15.00 plus duty and shipping

3 weeks to my door $50.00 Canadian when it was all said and done.

I have a feeling the Moog 5227 ones would work fine????

For the price difference a few miles would likely wear the holes to the bigger size?

Maybe someone here has tried it???



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Moog K5227 won't work with the 15/16" bar, the hole is just too small.

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seventy2plus2 wrote:

The brackets are the same regardless of sway bar diameter. The bushings are different.
Moog K5227 for 13/16" bar - readily available,
Moog K8258 for 15/16" bar - difficult to find, but occasionally pop up on eBay.


 Yes but the outside of them is smooth, missing that molded ridge on the outside that fits in the channel in the bracket . Even the GM originals that include the ridge push out of side of the bracket so I'm betting the smooth ones push out sooner/faster. But it's better than nothing!



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Ok

good input Clint

perhaps try buying the small bushing 

and a  scalpal (farm supply store vet section)

use water for lube

try to open it up

this was my plan then I found the nos pair 



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Thanks guys, very good info. Needed a brain reboot on the subject.

Anyone have a part number for a replacement that would work on the 15/16" bar. Rock auto seems to only have a bushing up to .78 ID

 

On the 67 I just went with A set of Prothane universal greaseable bushings and shells, which required a second hole be drilled either side at the mount. 



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This might solve the bushing movement problem.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/270715414196?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=LRMjuD6oRLe&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=GwM9TiWPQC-&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=SMS



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Would work, problem being Robert is that the original bracket holes are offset.

 

Carls Idea of welding retainer tabs onto the OEM bracket is a good one. But now who has a 15/16 OEM bushing? Even a china one without the retainer bump.

 

Found these shots on line, a clever fellow simply cut and some 3/16 plate and added them to a straight aftermarket bracket drilling them appropriately offset. I'm not adverse to using greaseable poly in this position.

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cdnpont wrote:

Would work, problem being Robert is that the original bracket holes are offset.

 

Carls Idea of welding retainer tabs onto the OEM bracket is a good one. But now who has a 15/16 OEM bushing? Even a china one without the retainer bump.

 

Found these shots on line, a clever fellow simply cut some 3/16 plate and added them to a straight aftermarket bracket drilling them appropriately offset. I'm not adverse to using greaseable poly in this position.

bracket4.JPG


I forgot that the holes were offset. So much for standardization of the bracket/bushing set up. Changes in parts that could be used across other models, makes no sense to me.confuse



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What about taking one like this one and trimming the edges ?

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ACDelco Gold 45G1017 Front Suspension Stabilizer Bar Bushing Kit, Bushings - Amazon Canada



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The say  compatible with the Moog K8258

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Just keep your eye out for a set of Moog K8258, they pop up on eBay occasionally.

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ABC123 wrote:

What about taking one like this one and trimming the edges ?

 

ACDelco Gold 45G1017 Front Suspension Stabilizer Bar Bushing Kit, Bushings - Amazon Canada


 I think the ID at 1" is too big right? The F41 is 15/16?

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These are the right part number, just not sure they look right?

https://www.ss396.com/part/DMG-657.html



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These are the right part number, just not sure they look right?

https://www.ss396.com/part/DMG-657.html


You're on to something there.  By clicking on "Vehicle Fitment", it says it's a Moog K8258.

 



-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 11th of April 2024 04:11:20 PM

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