Easy swap to 350 auto     3-500.00    no brainer

4 speeds are cool    

4 speed in a 283 full size car is a $3-4000.00  expense

4 speed in a 283 4400 lb car  is like a ____________

Blackheart4355 wrote:

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I know a guy in Saskatchewan who put a Sag in a 65..

Said it was pretty easy, the biggest expense was the manual trans console (seen them as high as $1700 on Ebay) the one thing you'll need is the manual trans tunnel piece for the floor so the hole is in the correct place...on top of the trans itself, pedals and linkage...

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          IF you do put a 4 speed in a 283 B-Body   make sure you get  Hooker headers (competition style) and a  Posi track rear end   Make a 750 Double pumper too  

I should have answered some of your questions here though-

The swap to the 3 or 4 speed is pretty well identical other than obviously, the shifter is different.

All the parts are fairly easy to find. The bellhousing is one of the more expensive parts besides the transmission if you decide to use a Muncie 4 speed.

I would think you would be able to find a lot of the parts here if you put on a wanted ad.

The crossmember is the same for a Powerglide, Saginaw or Muncie.

When we did my son's Camaro a few years ago, we found a crashed car for parts. Pedals, clutch cross member and ball stud and a ton of little things that are needed. That is one way for you even if it is a parts car as long as it is a stick the parts needed are there. So look for a 65 stick parts car.
Brian

Good morning,

wow ..so many infos!
Thx a lot..

i enjoyed these links:

canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t27892343/65-70-automatic-to-manual-trans-conversion/

canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t51045969/started-my-manual-trans-conversion-66-grande-parisienne/

that shows it`s not an saturday afternoon thing to swap..!!


Yes, first i thought about to put a 4 speed in my 65 Bonneville, but thats an bench seat car, very solid and original and the Bonneville has a rare electro cruise used with column shift with special brake pedals so i decide to let my Bonneville all original.

But the Parisienne lloks much more easier to swap to a 4 Speed or perhaps a 3 Speed manual shift.
The flppr pans are complete new with parts from classic industries and if i remember correct the new floor pan LH / RH has already marked a hole for the manual shift cars and can still use my steering column.

I looked at ebay for parts and found an "driver condition" 65 Impala 4 Speed console for 195 USD ...

I don`t like to spent more than 1200 USD in a swap but it must be possible to find a shift junk car from 1965-1970 to buy the parts from i need .. no hurry to do ..but would be great to have. The Bonneville is an heavy big XXL cruiser and i think the TH 400 is a good choice but the Parisienne convertible is much more lighter and shorter and the better choice to swap to a maual shift car.

Not sure if the 283 is to weak for a 4 Speed but it operates at higher RPM as other engines and has a good torque at lower RPM, too,
..not sure what kind of cam is in because the stock engine was complete rebuilded in the 80`s ..i only added some things like the tripower and an Edelbrock HV water pump and the big oil pan with an new HV oil pump. 7 liter oil in!

I will ask Tin man ..perhaps he has an idea ... he has already helped me with the Pontiac hood letters ..one was missing ..he had !

My dream is an 409 with an 4 Speed ....

Here ´re 3 pics out of an canandian parts catalogue

3 and 4 Speed transmission with part numbers

perhaps it`s informative ..

 

65/66   67   68/69

427carl wrote:

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Blackheart4355 wrote:

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I know a guy in Saskatchewan who put a Sag in a 65..

Said it was pretty easy, the biggest expense was the manual trans console (seen them as high as $1700 on Ebay) the one thing you'll need is the manual trans tunnel piece for the floor so the hole is in the correct place...on top of the trans itself, pedals and linkage...

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          IF you do put a 4 speed in a 283 B-Body   make sure you get  Hooker headers (competition style) and a  Posi track rear end   Make a 750 Double pumper too  

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Why would he need a 750 cfm carb on a 283?  I run a 600 on my 327 and it is perfect.  A 750 would be WAY over fueling the engine.. and why headers? Why not stay with the Ram's Horn manifolds for the original look?

Sorry Carl,

Sometimes my sarcasm filter doesn't kick in..lol..

Okay, i see that a swap to an 4 Speed is not easy as i believed. To get all parts together is one thing and to modified the car is the other .

But i still not like the Powerglide 2 Speed ..

You wrote it`s more easier to swap to an TH350 and easy to get here in Germany ...  The 3 Speed console plate is easy to buy but what have i all to change for this swap, another transframe .. what else?

427carl wrote:

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Its OK   I should be quiet    

Everytime someone asks about 4 speed or auto  

EVERYONE goes off on a 4 speed tangent    

if you have a nice running 283 powerglide   change to 350 turbo hydromatic   easy 300-500 with good used trans

If you want to pretend you have a race car, and think a 4 speed will make a 283 4400 lb tank "sporty"  

then go ahead and drop 3-3500 on a conversion...

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Its a plug and play as long as you use the correct length tailshaft   TH350

 

 

Muncie 4 Speed ..jusat found this in my area ... 

does it fits for my 65 Parisienne ?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Muncie-4-speed-Getriebe-US-Car-Friebird-Camaro-Chevelle-mit-Hurst-Shifter-/111249572928?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item19e6fdc440

 

Not sure if its an M20 21 22

from an FIrebird 68